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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Fuld" <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: backward architecture, The Design of Design Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 06:20:00 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <v1keag$16sq1$1@dont-email.me> References: <v03uh5$gbd5$1@dont-email.me> <20240507115433.000049ce@yahoo.com> <v1fim7$3t28r$1@dont-email.me> <20240508141804.00005d47@yahoo.com> <v1gncp$1en9$1@gal.iecc.com> <20240509105422.0000333e@yahoo.com> <v1i0ur$i07r$1@dont-email.me> <20240509135356.000006c1@yahoo.com> <v1ii0i$lsv9$1@dont-email.me> <86jzk2rzbt.fsf@linuxsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 08:20:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bd478c9a6e420fcc888205d6ba262832"; logging-data="1274689"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19cJDI8DK5sedRDVmR/UX7ItzubCvDgEGU=" User-Agent: XanaNews/1.21-f3fb89f (x86; Portable ISpell) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VeHAxv/51ThkUzhb6ZQqTWHohZE= Bytes: 2878 Tim Rentsch wrote: > "Stephen Fuld" <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes: > > > The key innovation that IBM made with the S/360 was to announce > > systems with a wide range of performance *at the same time*, > > i.e. different Y values and the same X value. > > I would argue that this property is only one of three factors > that made System/360 successful, and perhaps the least important > of the three. The other two factors are, one, addressing both > business computing and scientific computing rather than having > separate models for the two markets, and two, replacing and > discontinuing all of IBM's other lines of computers. I think > it's hard to overstate the importance of the last item. I didn't mean to imply that the performance range was the only factor in S/360's success. Just that with S/360, IBM was the first to use that strategy, and it was a factor in its success. As to the other two factors you mentioned, I don't necessarily disagree, but I do want to note that discontinuing older lines of computers was factiltated by the ability of various S/360 models to emulate various older computers. So a site that had, say a 1401, could upgrade to a S/360 mod 30, which could run in 1401 emulation mode, so sites could keep their old programs running until they were replaced by newer nativve S/360 applications. Similarly for 7080 emulation on s60/65s. There were probably others that I don't know about. And, of course, we have already discussed several other factors in its success. -- - Stephen Fuld (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)