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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Arkalen <arkalen@proton.me> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Lenski experiments: an important correction Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 22:31:35 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v1m078$1i7fl$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="55511"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:qhcrjVBc/J69ox3TGTTgw35NDzw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 8EC72229786; Fri, 10 May 2024 16:31:43 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55E0A229767 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 10 May 2024 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <news@eternal-september.org>) id 1s5WuA-00000001GNK-2QTG; Fri, 10 May 2024 22:31:46 +0200 id D497ADC01A9; Fri, 10 May 2024 22:31:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 22:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.eternal-september.org:119 X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19O4AtIbv/4X3NnGCzHLa6sDkJ6qgINpdk= Bytes: 4020 I recently found out that Richard Lenski of the eponymous long-term E.coli evolution experiment had a blog, and in it I found a correction I thought was relevant to the way those experiments are typically invoked as evidence in evolution/creationism debates: https://telliamedrevisited.wordpress.com/2024/04/01/a-small-correction/ I hope we'll all have the integrity to take this new information into account properly. "Since transferring the LTEE to Jeff Barrick’s lab at UT-Austin in 2022, we’ve been going over the old lab notebooks, making sure everything looks good. It turns out, though, that I made a small error when I started the LTEE back in 1988. I thought that transferring 10 ml into 10 ml was a hundred-fold dilution because there’s a 0 right there after each of the 1s, and 100 has two zeros. QED: a hundred-fold dilution. Right? Well, it turns out I was a bit off. That’s only a two-fold dilution because, apparently, the correct way to do the math is 10 / (10 + 10) = 1/2. Who knew? New math, I guess. Anyhow, everyone in the lab thought I had figured it out, since I was the perfesser, and they just kept doing the same thing all these years. So instead of 75,000 generations, it was only something like 11,250 when we sent the ^H^H^H^H^H^Hstupid amazing LTEE to Taxes. Oh well, still a big number. We also discovered another tiny error. You know, I always thought some ^H^H^H^H^H^Hsucker hard-working student came in and did the transfers on weekends and holidays. I never quite knew who it was, but I figured someone did the ^H^H^H^H^H^Hunpaid ^H^H^H^work transfers. Well, it turns out, not so much. OK, never. Fridays were ok at 40%, and Mondays were even better at 53%. On Tuesdays, we maxed out at 73%. Not bad! We trailed off a tad at 59% and 47% on Wednesdays and Thursdays. Anyhow, after correcting for these tiny oversights, the LTEE had gone past 4,300 generations before we sent it down to Taxes. Speaking of Taxes, I hope I don’t get audited again this year. But I hear you can stall if you’re a big shot. Being a PI qualifies, right?"