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Subject: Re: Another design
Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 16:04:15 +0100
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On 11/05/2024 3:29 pm, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 18:17:47 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> "piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:v1m48d$1j1bc$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gnps3j99nl7t4dkdt22k7oe5tr0e6dh60i@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:11:03 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v1ho21$4ps$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com...
>>>>>>> Now with 9V to 15V input range, direct gate drive and 500mA LED
>>>>>>> current.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Startup behaviour is not ideal but maybe that can be fixed if it needs
>>>>>>> fixing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the cheapest op amp I can use for U2 instead of OP07?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a cheaper comparator instead of LT1719 which will work?
>>>>>>> Also the fet is bigger than it needs to ne.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a better device for D4? Particularly if R4 can be reduced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will it work at all? Except in simulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I've answered my own question for the current controller but I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> think it's feasible to attempt a discrete comparator on cost grounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the LED constant-current switcher can be done with a pfet and
>>>>> two NPN transistors.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok here's the spec.
>>>>
>>>> Input voltage range 10.5V to 12.6 V. Preferably 10V to 15V.
>>>>
>>>> Minimum efficiency. 80%
>>>>
>>>> Inductor not bigger than 68uH 1A. Preferably smaller.
>>>>
>>>> One, two or three LEDs at 500mA +/- 50mA
>>>>
>>>> Filtered LED feed referenced to ground.
>>>>
>>>> Maximum total LED wiring length. 12 inches.
>>>>
>>>> EMC compliant in all countries.
>>>>
>>>> Cost. Minimum which will meet spec.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My LM311 based idea works ok with 68uH inductors too. Efficiency is above
>>> 80% for supply 10 to 13V and still 77% at 16V
>>>
>>> Haven't explored 1, 2 or 3 LED outputs.
>>>
>>> You didn't say if "ground" was input negative or positive but if positive
>>> ground then flip the circuit over and use a cheaper N-channel FET :)
>>>
>>> The input to a buck converter is pulsed current - you have mentioned
>>> output
>>> leads but some, possibly extensive, filtering will be needed on the input.
>>
>> That makes me wonder whether the input could be made near enough DC by using
>> two converters.
>> One taking current when the other isn't. Perhaps two LEDs each.
>>
>> Thanks for all your input. I think I'm just about done with this unless John
>> Larkin want to show his pfet and one npn circuit.
>>
>>>
>>> Pay me for EMC compliance :)
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> piglet
>>
> 
> Something like this should work.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/su03d8gaxbi67zhufz3th/LED_CC_Reg_1.jpg?rlkey=oh4ib9011ee1c74ih7hk7dzcb&raw=1
> 
> But I'd rather use a TPS562208, which would be cheaper and simpler and
> has spread-spectrum to help the EMC thing by about 20 dB.
> 
> 

Yes, my take is not too far distant but I tried to accomodate the OP's 
unexplained desire for ground referenced LED output.

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