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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 01:51:29 +0100 Organization: A little, after lunch Lines: 105 Message-ID: <v1p3qi$2bbun$1@dont-email.me> References: <v1941f$24d4m$1@dont-email.me> <v1a0j2$2eb40$1@dont-email.me> <l9ris7F74e0U1@mid.individual.net> <v1ac52$2gs3r$2@dont-email.me> <l9so4sFbj9uU2@mid.individual.net> <v1bril$1bh$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> <wwvv83p4p45.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <v1dusa$q8t$2@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> <wwvwmo5nuwi.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <v1fic8$3st0e$2@dont-email.me> <v1goh2$5t3j$4@dont-email.me> <v1iduh$kv8v$2@dont-email.me> <v1jjub$tpl5$2@dont-email.me> <v1lh8f$1eir6$2@dont-email.me> <v1m39g$1iq5v$2@dont-email.me> <97a1721c-655a-ae37-1844-963d43aca0e0@example.net> <v1njc0$20efb$1@dont-email.me> <ae986136-baae-03bc-2cd6-f1beca3d35e6@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 02:51:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="195db1ac4493e97c037a4158ca303409"; logging-data="2469847"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19nrWXZhrDzq78In81hJCEpjZ7IwNJmnP4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:2PfjdfZGwhXrooeSqw8s/uZ0LAo= In-Reply-To: <ae986136-baae-03bc-2cd6-f1beca3d35e6@example.net> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 5408 On 11/05/2024 20:17, D wrote: > > > On Sat, 11 May 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 11/05/2024 10:31, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 10 May 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:16:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 09/05/2024 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. >>>>> >>>>> Try telling that to climate change [scientists]... >>>> >>>> They have evidence. You don’t. >>>> >>> >>> No they don't. Seriously, they don't. I think you are trapped by the >>> eco-fascist propaganda Lawrence. >> >> And that is the problem. There is a conjecture - one of many possible >> - that purports to explain the 'facts'. >> But the problem of induction, means that there are an infinite number >> of conjectures that could explain the data, even if the data was >> clean, plentiful and unambiguous, which it isn't. >> And the current conjecture fits the data so badly that its excused by >> the fallacious 'precautionary principle' to justify doing stuff that >> cannot work 'in case' they are in fact right. >> >> Another conjecture, that they dont understand how climate works at >> all, and something else is in play, is simply disregarded, because it >> doesn't lead to sales of greenCrap™ and research money for academics. >> >> Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and 'climate scientists' don't vote >> for 'natural causes'. >> >> Nor do the mass of ArtStudents who have leapt on the media bandwagon >> or the companies that sell greenCrap or the politicians trying to make >> careers out of it. >> >> Its a trillion dollar boondoggle. >> >> All based on just one conjecture, that has in fact been demonstrated >> to be false. >> >> A most convenient lie, however. > > Wow, way more articulate than I usually see. Do you have a blog or > something where you expand on your brief summary above? > Not really. People don't do 'reason' these days. Its all about 'feelings' And as Roger Scruton remarked, you don't reason people out of positions they weren't reasoned into in the first place. Anti-Vax, anti-nuclear. God is dead, worship Gaia instead. Man is essentially evil and full of sin and technology is his greatest expression of it. > Also, honest question, why do you think the precautionary principle is > fallacious? I have vague memories from my philosophy studies that > someone looked into it, but vague is an overstatement, so can for the > life of me not remember. Never get in a car or an aeroplane. You *could* crash. Never strike out for shore when away from the shore, you *could* tire yourself out and drown. Never invent fire, you *could* burn your cave down Never knap flints, you *could* cut yourself. Never eat cereals - you *could* ruin your teeth. Always hang on tight to Nurse For fear of something even worse. You think that is the correct and appropriate way to behave ? It is monstrously senseless ArtStudent™ invented Luddite philosophy. Don't use nuclear power, it *could* go bang. Instead condemn us all to death anyway from energy poverty, simply because YOU, the ArtStudent™ dont understand and cannot understand the risk, because your brain only thinks in Boolean concepts = safe/unsafe. Never /how/ safe. It is reactionary kneejerk Leftist stupididity dressed up in big words to make it seem intellectually justified How about Never let a Muslim into your town - they *could* be a terrorist? -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.