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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: A computable function that reports on the behavior of its actual self is not allowed Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 09:10:27 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v1t70j$3gipi$2@dont-email.me> References: <v1r566$2uo21$1@dont-email.me> <v1smrp$3clsp$1@dont-email.me> <v1t563$3g3o3$2@dont-email.me> <v1t63q$3g95i$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 16:10:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="822a7b45c10435b9354ed3bfb60d5b64"; logging-data="3689266"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX194ukw5loaefMMY4732fO9w" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:i7f+GT5OnYXDbNXNHMgCLo0Ra6g= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v1t63q$3g95i$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2593 On 5/13/2024 8:55 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 13.mei.2024 om 15:39 schreef olcott: >> On 5/13/2024 4:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 12.mei.2024 om 21:27 schreef olcott: >>>> Computable functions are the basic objects of study in computability >>>> theory. Computable functions are the formalized analogue of the >>>> intuitive notion of algorithms, in the sense that a function is >>>> computable if there exists an algorithm that can do the job of the >>>> function, i.e. given an input of the function domain it can return the >>>> corresponding output. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computable_function >>>> >>>> A computable function that reports on the behavior of its actual >>>> self (or reports on the behavior of its caller) is not allowed. >>> >>> So, olcott uses his authority to create a new problem. Why would >>> anybody be interested in such limitation? >>> >> >> The definition of computable function is an axiomatic basis >> not any mere authority. > > I was referring to the "is not allowed". If olcott uses his authority to > introduce a new axiom with this sentence, a new problem is created. Who > is interested in a system with this new limitation? > No decider can take an actual Turing Machine as its input. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer