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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: A computable function that reports on the behavior of its actual
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:41:31 -0500
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On 5/13/2024 10:31 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 13.mei.2024 om 16:44 schreef olcott:
>> On 5/13/2024 9:24 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 13.mei.2024 om 16:10 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 5/13/2024 8:55 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 13.mei.2024 om 15:39 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 4:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 12.mei.2024 om 21:27 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> Computable functions are the basic objects of study in 
>>>>>>>> computability
>>>>>>>> theory. Computable functions are the formalized analogue of the
>>>>>>>> intuitive notion of algorithms, in the sense that a function is
>>>>>>>> computable if there exists an algorithm that can do the job of the
>>>>>>>> function, i.e. given an input of the function domain it can 
>>>>>>>> return the
>>>>>>>> corresponding output. 
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computable_function
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A computable function that reports on the behavior of its actual
>>>>>>>> self (or reports on the behavior of its caller) is not allowed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, olcott uses his authority to create a new problem. Why would 
>>>>>>> anybody be interested in such limitation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The definition of computable function is an axiomatic basis
>>>>>> not any mere authority.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was referring to the "is not allowed". If olcott uses his 
>>>>> authority to introduce a new axiom with this sentence, a new 
>>>>> problem is created. Who is interested in a system with this new 
>>>>> limitation?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No decider can take an actual Turing Machine as its input.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody is interested in this trivial remark.
>>> A decider can have the description of a Turing machine as its input. 
>>> The decider should decide about the actual behaviour of this machine, 
>>> not about the way that the decider pleases to simulate the input, 
>>> because that would tell at most something about the simulator, not 
>>> about the input.
>>
>> I see that you either don't want an honest dialogue or cannot
>> understand the underlying subject matter well enough to provide
>> an accurate review.
>>
> 
> It is a pity to see that olcott does not understand the words well 
> enough for his own benefit. As soon as he does not understand it, he 
> thinks it is dishonest. It might be impossible to explain it to him in 
> even simpler words.
> In this way he will never understand what is said, so he stays with his 
> pointless remarks.
> 

Things that someone could say that doesn't understand the
subject matter oneself.

An honest dialogue provides reasoning behind any assertions.
A less than honest dialogue makes dogmatic assertions that
do not include any supporting reasoning.

A dishonest dialogue fails to ever provide reasoning behind
dogmatic assertions even when requested and often adds
insults and ad hominem attacks instead of any supporting
reasoning.



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