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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Is Richard a Liar? Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 14:34:52 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 68 Message-ID: <v20ect$bki0$1@dont-email.me> References: <v18e32$1vbql$1@dont-email.me> <v1m4et$1iv85$1@dont-email.me> <v1m5co$lbo4$2@i2pn2.org> <v1m71h$1jnpi$1@dont-email.me> <v1m7mh$lbo5$5@i2pn2.org> <v1mb8f$1kgpl$1@dont-email.me> <v1mkf8$lbo5$7@i2pn2.org> <v1mkmm$1q5ee$1@dont-email.me> <v1na6f$1ugl0$1@dont-email.me> <v1o67n$24f4c$1@dont-email.me> <v1q1ie$2l40t$1@dont-email.me> <v1q9fp$qb0p$1@i2pn2.org> <v1qmq8$2prs6$1@dont-email.me> <v1qouc$2qb2s$1@dont-email.me> <v1vbpd$3gbc$1@dont-email.me> <v1vslr$7enr$1@dont-email.me> <v1vuor$24b2$1@news.muc.de> <v20027$865j$1@dont-email.me> <v200oo$843p$1@dont-email.me> <v200u2$8dd9$1@dont-email.me> <v202k0$8q16$1@dont-email.me> <v20654$9o07$1@dont-email.me> <v2086v$a4tr$1@dont-email.me> <v208db$a6jn$1@dont-email.me> <v20ak6$an12$1@dont-email.me> <v20b6v$akk9$1@dont-email.me> <v20cf4$11h4n$3@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 21:34:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e9b15de5cbd4b611ca4438a3f5fabf94"; logging-data="381504"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/tMSBwCfh4Kso2upLPm+z1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wqg9dUdmuX/HOfHFUF2YncirAxI= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v20cf4$11h4n$3@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4692 On 5/14/2024 2:01 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 14 May 2024 13:40:31 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 5/14/2024 1:30 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 14.mei.2024 om 19:52 schreef olcott: >>>> On 5/14/2024 12:49 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 14.mei.2024 om 19:14 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 5/14/2024 11:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 14.mei.2024 om 17:45 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>> On 5/14/2024 10:42 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>> Op 14.mei.2024 om 17:30 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2024 10:08 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> [ Followup-To: set ] >>>>>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2024 4:44 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-12 15:58:02 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2024 10:21 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-12 11:34:17 +0000, Richard Damon said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/24 5:19 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-11 16:26:30 +0000, olcott said: > wtf is this ^ > >>>>>>> Before we can talk about this, first there must be 100% agreement >>>>>>> about: >>>>>>> 1) What is a "verified fact"? Who needs to do the verification >>>>>>> before it can be said that it is a verified fact? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am ONLY referring to expressions that are PROVEN to be {true >>>>>> entirely on the basis of their meaning}. >>>>>> *CONCRETE EXAMPLES* >>>>>> How do we know that 2 + 3 = 5? >>>>> >>>>> If needed we can write out the proof for this, starting from the >>>>> axioms for natural numbers. That proof is well known. >>>>> >>>>> But nobody here knows the proof for your assertion above, that it is >>>>> a verified fact that it cannot reach past line 03. So, we would like >>>>> to see that proof. Just the claim that it has been proven is not >>>>> enough. >>>>> >>>> The "nobody here" you are referring to must be clueless about the >>>> semantics of the C programming language. >>>> >>> Are you honest? Please, give the proof, instead of keeping away from >>> it. >> I have been an expert C/C++ programmer for decades. > Oh, so it’s only yourself who’s the expert? I would like to see some of > your projects. > >> If you knew C will enough yourself you would comprehend that my claim >> about: >> Any H/D pair matching the above template where D(D) is simulated by the >> same H(D,D) that it calls cannot possibly reach past its own line 03. >> This is a simple software engineering verified fact. > proof pls > *The only sufficient proof is being an expert in C yourself* *Anyone that says that I am wrong without knowing C is dishonest* >> My grandfather was a diagnostician and pathologist said: "You can't >> argue with ignorance". > He must have known. > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer