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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: [OT] Professor inflitrates pro-Palestinian encampment; union
 leader calls for consequences
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 17:42:54 -0400
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On 5/14/2024 1:50 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v1ujlq$3uc8o$1@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/13/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v1u6e3$3o2h8$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v1u2bf$3n232$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v1tp0v$3krav$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 1:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v1tb17$3hi6h$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2024 10:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v1rtuq$37l07$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2024 7:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2024 at 3:54:42 PM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2024 6:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v1lpp9$1gnv5$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 1:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now the Scarf Lady, Dr. Deborah Birx, says that thousands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Americans could be injured from the mRNA Wuhan Flu shot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that some groups should not have been forced to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jab.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weird how she wasn't saying that when Biden's decree was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "take the shot or you're fired" in the federal government.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back then, she and your vaunted 'fact checkers' would only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeat the mantra that it's 'safe and effective'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean it *shouldn't* have been called safe and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effective?...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask the people who were injured from the jab whether they think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the government should have told them it was safe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking what a responsible public health official ought to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth is that every medical procedure *including NO
>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure* carries some risk.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And an ethical medical professional explains the type and
>>>>>>>>>>> extent of that risk, as well as its frequency of occurrence in
>>>>>>>>>>> the population.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They don't ignore the risk and just tell you "it's safe and
>>>>>>>>>>> effective". (And don't forget the denigration and censorship of
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone who suggested otherwise, who have yet again turned out
>>>>>>>>>>> to be right in the end.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People who know there's always a small risk don't need to be told.
>>>>>>>>>> And people who *don't* know it will grossly overreact when they
>>>>>>>>>> *are* told.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So once again, it's okay for the government to lie to us for our own
>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> So, the public at large heard "safe and effective", which, in
>>>>>>>>>> context, the vaccine very much was. Meanwhile, one needn't support
>>>>>>>>>> censorship to strongly disapprove of sensationalist life-threatening
>>>>>>>>>> disinformation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, real-world decisions appear simplest to those who don't
>>>>>>>> have to make them. But happily, in this instance, the vaccine *was*
>>>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except for the people who were injured by it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This just in:  Don't risk getting out of bed tomorrow...
>>>>>
>>>>> This just in: People have a right to know all the risks of drugs they're
>>>>> not just being asked to take, but ordered to take under threat of loss
>>>>> of their livelihood.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet that *all* the risks of *any* vaccine will run to thousands of
>>>> words
>>>
>>> The government has the bandwidth.
>>
>> But the issue is that the public doesn't.
> 
> Ah, yet more infantalization and condescension from the government.
> 
> And, of course, not only does the government lie to us for own good, it
> has to also make sure that we don't tell each other the truth, so it
> labels truthful statements 'disinformation' and coerces online platforms
> to censor it.
> 
> Can't have citizens undermining carefully crafted government lies (for
> our own good!), can we?

The vaccine's safety and efficacy was not a lie, but a headline ...aimed 
at an audience who, on the whole, needed one.  What deeper data do you 
think was kept from the public, unavailable to a Google search?