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On Fri, 17 May 2024 03:09:43 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <v26hpm$20265$6@dont-email.me>:

> On 2024-05-15, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 14:10:54 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-15, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 05:45:03 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May 2024 01:02:56 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 00:42:29 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 May 2024 00:11:11 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So, it would be beneficial to open-source developers to make sure
>>>>>>>> that their software breaks easily and crashes, so as to sell the
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Clearly you have never used the stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, actually, you are depending crucially on it right now, without
>>>>>>> realizing it. Without Open Source, there would be no Internet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We both know that's not true. Without open-source, there would have
>>>>>> been an alternative based on UNIX or Windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those alternatives existed, way back when. Before the Internet,
>>>>> there were “online services” such as Compuserve, AOL, Prodigy and
>>>>> others.
>>>>> Before the World-Wide Web came to dominate, and in competition with
>>>>> it,
>>>>> there was Microsoft’s “Project Blackbird”, Quark’s “Immedia” and no
>>>>> doubt something from Adobe as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Are these names unfamiliar to you? Go look them up in the usual
>>>>> places.
>>>>> There will be a test--if you want to continue this thread.)
>>>>
>>>> I am aware of them (I'm 45 years-old). In fact, Delphi Internet was
>>>> my first venture onto the Internet.
>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is chosen because it's good enough and free, not because it
>>>>>> is necessarily better.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Open Source was better than all of those put together. That’s why it
>>>>> wiped them out. Those proprietary products had the backing
>>>>> (financial, marketing, technical) of some of the world’s biggest
>>>>> megacorporations of the time, but they could not compete with Open
>>>>> Source and open standards.
>>>>
>>>> Not on price, that's for sure. If I recall correctly, those
>>>> proprietary services also wanted to make sure that you remained
>>>> exclusive to that service. There was no benefit for them to allow you
>>>> to venture outside of their walled garden, since that would cause you
>>>> to eventually look for a cheaper service which still gave you access
>>>> to things like Usenet, IRC and the World Wide Web without needing to
>>>> pass through their graphical interface. That might be why their
>>>> systems were primitive compared to the Linux ones, based on UNIX,
>>>> which resisted a user having any sort of middleman.
>>> 
>>> Microsoft could use their own server software for free on their Cloud.
>>> They don't. They use Linux for their servers. That's all you really
>>> need to know about the superiority of Linux for servers. I think Apple
>>> mostly gave up on the server market a few years back.
>>> 
>>> If you're using the Internet, you're using Linux.
>>
>> Apple probably gave up because the hardware they were selling when they
>> were pushing servers was wholly inappropriate, as was the software
>> running atop it. As impressive as the PowerPC was, combining it with
>> Mac OS at the time wasn't a great solution for running a server.
>> Whether today or back then, the mere fact that you can run a server
>> with Linux without even needing a GUI ensures that performance will be
>> good, and better than the alternative software on the same hardware.
>> Either way, I am glad that Linux runs servers well and especially that
>> a license from Microsoft, Apple or IBM isn't required to create our own
>> web server. I'm just pointing out that without Linux, one of those
>> would likely be behind most of the servers.
> 
> I think Apple is very good at selling fancy goo-gaws in the retail
> market, and the server market really wasn't their thing. They've been
> using UNIX for years now and, if they really wanted to get into the
> server market, they probably could. But that's not their strength.
> Besides, it's hard to compete against free OS for servers.

They gave it the old college try, but it did not work out very well
for them:

https://www.macstories.net/mac/a-history-of-the-xserve-apples-one-rack-wonder/

(Apple rack-mount servers were a thing for a while.)

-- 
-v