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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: Is Richard a Liar? Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 10:27:04 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 65 Message-ID: <v2ahc9$2rekn$1@dont-email.me> References: <v18e32$1vbql$1@dont-email.me> <v1m5co$lbo4$2@i2pn2.org> <v1m71h$1jnpi$1@dont-email.me> <v1m7mh$lbo5$5@i2pn2.org> <v1mb8f$1kgpl$1@dont-email.me> <v1mkf8$lbo5$7@i2pn2.org> <v1mkmm$1q5ee$1@dont-email.me> <v1o67n$24f4c$1@dont-email.me> <v1vslr$7enr$1@dont-email.me> <v1vuor$24b2$1@news.muc.de> <v200u2$8dd9$1@dont-email.me> <v202k0$8q16$1@dont-email.me> <v20654$9o07$1@dont-email.me> <v2086v$a4tr$1@dont-email.me> <v208db$a6jn$1@dont-email.me> <v20ak6$an12$1@dont-email.me> <v20b6v$akk9$1@dont-email.me> <v20eg6$bn7u$1@dont-email.me> <v20eqg$bki0$2@dont-email.me> <v20g5p$c1lu$1@dont-email.me> <v20gld$c8gh$1@dont-email.me> <v21k9m$nao2$1@dont-email.me> <v22f9e$tjgs$1@dont-email.me> <v22i3t$u5vc$1@dont-email.me> <v22nq4$ven4$1@dont-email.me> <v22uc5$10vef$1@dont-email.me> <v22vh7$11dig$2@dont-email.me> <v231gd$11ppa$1@dont-email.me> <v234r2$12odu$1@dont-email.me> <v24ji9$1g1d8$1@dont-email.me> <v2582h$1kais$6@dont-email.me> <v29qdc$2n2pf$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 17:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="95afb1fc0a4871125108def5044e156a"; logging-data="2996887"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18s/sf3YG7MCZSbFN76k0iP" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7X5IcLxIesIUT3Y6OBc1qOQTKao= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v29qdc$2n2pf$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3849 On 5/18/2024 3:55 AM, immibis wrote: > On 16/05/24 17:17, olcott wrote: >> On 5/16/2024 4:27 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-05-15 20:10:10 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>> No, but it would strongly support the idea that the errors in your >>> claims are not C programming errors. And even less that 10,000 would >>> be enough for that. Pernaps three. >>> >> >> Two people with a masters degrees in computer science and two >> other people in C forums agreed that D simulated by H cannot >> possibly reach its own line 06 and halt. >> > > what about D not-simulated by H? What about the price of tea in China? Please stay on topic I wasted 15 years with Ben's change-the-subject rebuttal. We can get to D not-simulated by H only after we have mutual agreement of D simulated by H. My use of the Socratic method requires building from and maintaining mutual agreement. > H is a not-simulator so that is the > question you should be asking. typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function 00 int H(ptr x, ptr y); 01 int D(ptr x) 02 { 03 int Halt_Status = H(x, x); 04 if (Halt_Status) 05 HERE: goto HERE; 06 return Halt_Status; 07 } 08 09 int main() 10 { 11 H(D,D); 12 return 0; 13 } In the above case a simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates at least one of the x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions of D. This may include correctly emulating the x86 instructions of H in the order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus calling H(D,D) in recursive simulation. The key thing to note is that no D correctly simulated by any H of every H/D pair specified by the above template ever reaches its own line 06 and halts. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer