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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 15:42:13 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v2b0al$1ct7o$14@i2pn2.org> References: <v0k4jc$laej$1@dont-email.me> <v0l11u$ussl$1@dont-email.me> <v0lh24$123q3$1@dont-email.me> <v0lic7$2g492$3@i2pn2.org> <v0lkas$12q0o$3@dont-email.me> <v0loq2$2g493$1@i2pn2.org> <v0lq7d$14579$2@dont-email.me> <v0ls98$2g492$7@i2pn2.org> <v0m29q$166o1$1@dont-email.me> <v0m37e$2gl1e$1@i2pn2.org> <v0m3v5$16k3h$1@dont-email.me> <v0m55t$2gl1f$3@i2pn2.org> <v0m5sn$172p4$1@dont-email.me> <v0m7em$2gl1f$5@i2pn2.org> <v0m7tq$17dpv$1@dont-email.me> <v0m8g9$2gl1e$6@i2pn2.org> <v0m978$17k7o$3@dont-email.me> <v0mko6$2hf3s$2@i2pn2.org> <v0n59h$1h98e$1@dont-email.me> <v0o037$2j1tu$3@i2pn2.org> <v0oc65$1q3aq$3@dont-email.me> <v0p9ts$2ki5r$6@i2pn2.org> <v0q1rk$2a3u1$1@dont-email.me> <v0qkti$2m1nf$1@i2pn2.org> <v0r4a3$2hb7o$6@dont-email.me> <v0rsbr$2m1nf$6@i2pn2.org> <v0segm$2v4oq$1@dont-email.me> <v0t8o9$2p3ri$2@i2pn2.org> <v0tpjf$3881i$5@dont-email.me> <v0ulma$2qov4$1@i2pn2.org> <v2atgh$2tove$1@dont-email.me> <v2auo0$1ct7o$11@i2pn2.org> <v2av9i$2u35v$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 19:42:14 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1471736"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <v2av9i$2u35v$1@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4145 Lines: 65 On 5/18/24 3:24 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/18/2024 2:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 5/18/24 2:54 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 5/1/2024 7:10 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 5/1/24 12:11 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> Until you refine your current non-existant definitions of the >>>>>> terms, you have the problem described. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can't have any idea what you are saying until you fill in >>>>> all of the details of your baseless claims. >>>>> >>>> >>>> But you refuse to listen. >>>> >>>> Remember, YOU are the one saying you are needing to change the >>>> definition from the classical theory, where we have things well >>>> defined. >>>> >>>> YOU have decided that H is just whatever C code you want to write >>>> for it, and D is the input proved. (which doesn't actually match the >>>> Linz or Sipser proof, but fairly close). >>>> >>> >>> First of all the code template that I am currently referring >>> has nothing to do with any decider, it only pertains to a >>> simulator where H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D >>> of each H/D pair specified by the following template. >> >> And that is exactly what my H is. It will simulate all of the steps of >> D, the D that call that H, till it reaches the end. >> >> >>> >>> typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function >>> 00 int H(ptr x, ptr y); >>> 01 int D(ptr x) >>> 02 { >>> 03 int Halt_Status = H(x, x); >>> 04 if (Halt_Status) >>> 05 HERE: goto HERE; >>> 06 return Halt_Status; >>> 07 } >>> 08 >>> 09 int main() >>> 10 { >>> 11 H(D,D); >>> 12 return 0; >>> 13 } >>> >>> In the above case a simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates >>> at least one of the x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the >>> x86 instructions of D. >> >> And mine emulates ALL of them to the final return on line 06 > > You have already agreed that this is impossible for pure simulator > H many times. I am stopping at your first big mistake. > So, you admit that you are not looking at what I have done, this means that any denials of the ability for my method are just admitted LIES and proof that you are just a pathological liar that doesn't even care what is true.