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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: True on the basis of meaning --- Good job Richard ! ---Socratic
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Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 14:46:53 -0500
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On 5/18/2024 12:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/18/24 1:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/18/2024 11:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/18/24 12:48 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/18/2024 9:32 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 5/18/24 10:15 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 7:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> No, your system contradicts itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have never shown this.
>>>>>> The most you have shown is a lack of understanding of the
>>>>>> Truth Teller Paradox.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I have, but you don't understand the proof, it seems because 
>>>>> you don't know what a "Truth Predicate" has been defined to be.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My True(L,x) predicate is defined to return true or false for every
>>>> finite string x on the basis of the existence of a sequence of truth
>>>> preserving operations that derive x from
>>>
>>> And thus, When True(L, p) established a sequence of truth preserving 
>>> operations eminationg from ~True(L, p) by returning false, it 
>>> contradicts itself. The problem is that True, in making an answer of 
>>> false, has asserted that such a sequence exists.
>>>
>> On 5/13/2024 9:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>  > On 5/13/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>  >> On 5/13/2024 7:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Remember, p defined as ~True(L, p) ...
>>  >>
>>  >> Can a sequence of true preserving operations applied
>>  >> to expressions that are stipulated to be true derive p?
>>  > No, so True(L, p) is false
>>  >>
>>  >> Can a sequence of true preserving operations applied
>>  >> to expressions that are stipulated to be true derive ~p?
>>  >
>>  > No, so False(L, p) is false,
>>  >
>>
>> *To help you concentrate I repeated this*
>> The Liar Paradox and your formalized Liar Paradox both
>> contradict themselves that is why they must be screened
>> out as type mismatch error non-truth-bearers *BEFORE THAT OCCURS*
> 
> And the Truth Predicate isn't allowed to "filter" out expressions.
> 

YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T
WE HAVE BEEN OVER THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN
THE FORMAL SYSTEM USES THE TRUE AND FALSE PREDICATE
TO FILTER OUT TYPE MISMATCH ERROR

The first thing that the formal system does with any
arbitrary finite string input is see if it is a Truth-bearer:
Truthbearer(L,x) ≡ (True(L,x) ∨ True(L,~x))

If it is not a Truth-bearer then the formal system
outputs "Type Mismatch Error x is not a Truth-bearer"
and no further evaluation is performed.

After the formal system has screened out non-truth-bearers
then ~True(L,x) always means True(L,~x) AKA False(L,x).

> So, you are just proving your ignorance of what you talk about.
> 
> You don't seem to understand that ALL actually means ALL
> 
> And, your repeating the claim, just shows that you are an ignorant 
> pathoological liar.

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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer