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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 21:36:34 -0000 (UTC)
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BTR1701  <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> > In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>> >   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> >>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" 
>> >>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>> >>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>    On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>    
>> >>>>>    >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for 
>> >>>>>    >sight-readers,
>> >>>>>    >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>> >>>>>    >
>> >>>>>    >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or something.)
>> >>>>>    >
>> >>>>>    ><rolls eyes>
>> >>>>>    
>> >>>>>    I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have
>> >>>>>    managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these 
>> >>>>>    days
>> >>>>>    are of Asian origin...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they
>> >>>> weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this
>> >>>> to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started
>> >>>> being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the
>> >>>> performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now
>> >>>> seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll
>> >>>> call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be
>> >>>> given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have
>> >>>> been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some
>> >>>> kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots
>> >>>> they're demanding.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the
>> >>>> people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in
>> >>>> general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going
>> >>>> out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of
>> >>>> this and/or defend it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where
>> >>> literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was
>> >>> an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition
>> >>> system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist
>> >>> because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>> >>>
>> >>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges
>> >>> have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender they are,
>> >>> etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This
>> >>> used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the
>> >>> inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over
>> >>> whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>> >>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure
>> >>> talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a
>> >>> decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the
>> >>> intelligentsia.
>> >>>
>> >>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that
>> >>> screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against
>> >>> whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender,
>> >>> rather than ability to play the music.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial
>> >>> discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a
>> >>> few bridges to sell them.
>> >>>
>> >>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind
>> >>> auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical
>> >>> musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many
>> >>> black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem
>> >>> in the first place). Wonder why that is?
>> >>
>> >> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as
>> >> though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view?
>> > 
>> > I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that
>> > you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey.
>> > 
>> > Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they
>> > can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for
>> > it.
>> > 
>> > Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they
>> > somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent
>> > and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a
>> > 'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'.
>> 
>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias 
>> meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society.
>
>But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial about 
>it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may with 
>regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups.
>
>A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial occurrence 
>than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, the best people 
>for the job are the ones who are hired.
>
>Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a 
>mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>
>Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations are 
>what they are because they hired the best people for the job. Why is one 
>a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs to be fixed?

The NBA discriminates against short, dumpy middle-aged Jews. C'mon. Saul
Rubinek couldn't even get a tryout. This is an outrage.