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From: Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
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Subject: Re: smart people doing stupid things
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 14:55:06 -0700
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On 5/18/2024 7:18 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message
> news:v29fji$2l9d8$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 5/17/2024 9:49 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>> "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:v29bqi$14iv$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com...
>>>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:v29aso$2kjfs$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 5/17/2024 7:11 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v28rap$2e811$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 5/17/2024 1:43 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not sure how he managed to say master debaters that many times while
>>>>>>>> seemingly keeping a straight face but it reminds me of this:
>>>>>>>> https://www.learningmethods.com/downloads/pdf/james.alcock--the.belief.engine.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One thing which bothers me about AI is that if it's like us but way
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> intelligent than us then...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 'I' in AI doesn't refer to the same sense of "intelligence" that
>>>>>>> you are imagining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strange that you could know what I was imagining.
>>>>>
>>>>> People are invariably mislead by thinking that there is "intelligence"
>>>>> involved in the technology.  If there is intelligence, then there
>>>>> should
>>>>> be *reason*, right?  If there is reason, then I should be able to
>>>>> inquire
>>>>> as to what, specifically, those reasons were for any "decision"/choice
>>>>> that is made.
>>>
>>> What is a decision?
>>
>> Any option to take one fork vs. another.
> 
> So a decision is a decision.

A decision is a choice.  A srategy is HOW you make that choice.

> Shouldn't a decision be that which causes a specific fork to be chosen?

Why?  I choose to eat pie.  The reasoning behind the choice may be
as banal as "because it's already partially eaten and will spoil if
not consumed soon" or "because that is what my body craves at this moment"
or "because I want to remove that item from the refrigerator to make room
for some other item recently acquired".

> In other words the current state of a system leads it to produce a specific
> future state?

That defines a strategic goal.  Choices (decisions) are made all the time.
Their *consequences* are often not considered in the process!

> I don't claim to know what a decision is but I think it's interesting that
> it seems to be one of those questions everyone knows the answer to until
> they're asked.