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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Teilhard de Chardin - new documentary Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 17:17:44 -0500 Organization: University of Ediacara Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v2b9e7$fjup$1@solani.org> References: <00mh4jhgge1kn69fhaq3mer8ol739ohacs@4ax.com> <T92dnefaopjGb9X7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <9b4171a3-43c1-4d83-877b-c85460aed913@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="9130"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:YYu+W4iWTur2cqllQ0qtbKfhBW4= Return-Path: <news@reader5.news.weretis.net> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id C7644229870; Sat, 18 May 2024 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9505D22986E for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 18 May 2024 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <news@reader5.news.weretis.net>) id 1s8SNK-00000001pAK-4785; Sun, 19 May 2024 00:17:59 +0200 by pmx.weretis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056943E898 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 19 May 2024 00:17:45 +0200 (CEST) id B37BD3E860; Sun, 19 May 2024 00:17:44 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-CA X-User-ID: eJwNwgERwDAIA0BLdCHQyaGE+pew3T8RKzo9GM7786eqcqvettK6mtM2NI1x1N7ACVRiiwI/PDQSCw== In-Reply-To: <9b4171a3-43c1-4d83-877b-c85460aed913@gmail.com> Bytes: 6503 Lines: 91 On 2024-05-18 3:54 PM, erik simpson wrote: > On 5/18/24 11:24 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote: >> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote: >>> (RNS) - In the history of the Catholic Church, too many innovative >>> thinkers were persecuted before they were accepted and then embraced >>> by the church. >>> >>> The list includes St. Thomas Aquinas (whose books were burned by the >>> bishop of Paris), St. Ignatius Loyola (who was investigated by the >>> Spanish Inquisition) and St. Mary MacKillop (an Australian nun who was >>> excommunicated by her bishop for uncovering and reporting clergy child >>> sex abuse). >>> >>> It's not surprising, then, that a French Jesuit scientist, Pierre >>> Teilhard de Chardin, who tried to bridge the gap between faith and >>> science, got himself in trouble with church officials and his Jesuit >>> superiors in the 20th century. Only after his death was he recognized >>> as the inspired genius that he was. >>> >>> His story is magnificently told in a new PBS documentary, "Teilhard: >>> Visionary Scientist," which was produced by Frank Frost Productions in >>> a 13-year labor of love. It took Frank and Mary Frost to four >>> countries on three continents, a total of 25 locations, and included >>> more than 35 interviews. >>> >>> [ ] >>> >>> "Teilhard: Visionary Scientist" will premiere on Maryland Public >>> Television on May 19 and be available for national and international >>> streaming for two years, beginning on May 20, on the free PBS app. >>> >>> https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2024/05/13/pierre-teilhard-de-chardin-pbs-documentary-247920 >>> >> Will this awkwardness be included in the magnificent retelling?: >> “Teilhard has been criticized as incorporating common notions of Social >> Darwinism [sic] and scientific racism into his work, along with >> support for >> eugenics,[41] Teilhard sharply criticized the idea of racial equality, >> saying in 1929: "Do the yellows—[the Chinese]—have the same human >> value as >> the whites? [Fr.] Licent and many missionaries say that their present >> inferiority is due to their long history of Paganism. I'm afraid that >> this >> is only a 'declaration of pastors.' Instead, the cause seems to be the >> natural racial foundation…"[41] Too, he said in 1936, "As not all ethnic >> groups have the same value, they must be dominated, which does not mean >> they must be despised—quite the reverse…In other words, at one and the >> same >> time there should be official recognition of: (1) the primacy/priority of >> the earth over nations; (2) the inequality of peoples and races."[41] And >> around 1937, he said, "What fundamental attitude…should the advancing >> wing >> of humanity take to fixed or definitely unprogressive ethnical groups? >> The >> earth is a closed and limited surface. To what extent should it tolerate, >> racially or nationally, areas of lesser activity? More generally >> still, how >> should we judge the efforts we lavish in all kinds of hospitals on saving >> what is so often no more than one of life’s rejects?…To what extent >> should >> not the development of the strong…take precedence over the >> preservation of >> the weak?"[41] >> In 1951, Teilhard continued to argue for racial and individual eugenics, >> and wrote a strongly worded criticism of the United Nations >> declaration of >> the Equality of Races. He continued to argue for eugenics as late as >> 1953, >> two years before his death.[41] Nevertheless, he has also been >> defended by >> theologian John F. Haught.[42][43]” >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin >> >> https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/teilhard-eugenics >> >> https://ejournals.bc.edu/index.php/ctsa/article/view/11473/9623 >> >> >> > These views were (or should have been) anachronistic circa 1950, > although many still subscribe to the notion. That said, I'm impatient > with "cancellation" of figures from the past for holding views that were > "common knowledge" at the time. Very few people in the 19th century > would escape being called racist by modern standards. There is such a > thing as progress, even if it's not always obvious. > I don't think calling for avoiding hagiography is the same as calling for "cancelling". -- -- Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)