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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: Additions to the iOS/Android Features Document
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 15:39:27 -0700
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On 2024-05-18 15:07, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
>>> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
>>>
>>>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>>>> much, much more convenient.
>>>>
>>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>>>
>>>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>>>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>>>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of 
>>> which
>>> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card 
>>> can do.
>>
>> Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
>>
>>>
>>> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
>>>      (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know 
>>> about).
>>
>> "almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual 
>> memory...
>>
>> ...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone 
>>> knows
>>>      that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & 
>>> videos.
>>
>> And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
>>
>> "memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to 
>> "random access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when 
>> being access by the CPU to execute instructions.
>>
>> So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
>>
>> "Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store 
>> data long term.
>>
>> But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
>>
>>>
>>> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
>>>      (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
>>
>> Hmmmmm...
>>
>> If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
>>
>> ...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable 
>> storage?
>>
>>>
>>> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
>>>      card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING 
>>> works!
>>
>> And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable 
>> storage?
>>
>>>
>>> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
>>> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
>>
>> My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could 
>> have it back up to my computer.
>>
>>>
>>>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>>>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony 
>>>> XPERIA
>>>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
>>>
>>>   *The best Android phones with expandable memory*
>>
>> Storage not memory.
>>
>>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
>>>
>>> Sony Xperia 1 V
>>> MSRP: $1,399.99
>>
>> So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
>>
>> ...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to 
>> put it back in)...
>>
>> ...because:
>>
>> 'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
>>
>>>
>>> Sony Xperia 10 V
>>> MSRP: 449.00 Euros
>>
>> Same.
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A55
>>> MSRP: $470.00
>>
>> Same.
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A35
>>> MSRP: $400.00
>>
>>
>> Same.
>>>
>>> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
>>> MSRP: $299.99
>>
>> At least this one has a dedicated slot...
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
>>> MSRP: $200.00
>>
>> ...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
>>
>> And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important 
>> functions just to transfer data seems...
>>
>> ...pretty impractical to me.
>>
>> And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android 
>> phones released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
>>
>> And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.
> 
> Did any early iphones ever support storage cards? I never had iphone 
> till 2021 (SE2020 model). Never had an android either.

Nope.

> 
> My iphone does have a really slow primitive lightning port that works 
> with old usb2 flash drives. I had to buy the special apple gadget that 
> allows using a flash drive or camera on the lightening port. No usb3 
> speed. Why the hell do they call something this slow "lightning"?  It's 
> also real clumsy with the files app, but it does actually work if you 
> are persistent. Not really worth the effort.

A Lightning port introduced in 2012...

....and kept for compatibility with all accessories sold.

And 480Mb/s is practically about 48MB/s (I divide by 10 to allow for 
overhead)...

....which is nearly 3GB/minute.

> 
> But the phone works really well. Reminds me of my first computer in 
> 1982, an Ohio Scientific single board with 6502 microprocessor running 
> at 1 Mhz. (no storage card either, just 300 baud cassette tape)

Yup. It "works really well".

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