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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400
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On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>     >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>     >sight-readers,
>>>>>>>     >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>>     >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or something.)
>>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>>     ><rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>     I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have
>>>>>>>     managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these
>>>>>>>     days
>>>>>>>     are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they
>>>>>> weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this
>>>>>> to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started
>>>>>> being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the
>>>>>> performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now
>>>>>> seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll
>>>>>> call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be
>>>>>> given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have
>>>>>> been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some
>>>>>> kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots
>>>>>> they're demanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the
>>>>>> people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in
>>>>>> general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going
>>>>>> out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of
>>>>>> this and/or defend it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where
>>>>> literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was
>>>>> an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition
>>>>> system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist
>>>>> because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges
>>>>> have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender they are,
>>>>> etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This
>>>>> used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the
>>>>> inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over
>>>>> whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure
>>>>> talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a
>>>>> decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the
>>>>> intelligentsia.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that
>>>>> screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against
>>>>> whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender,
>>>>> rather than ability to play the music.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial
>>>>> discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a
>>>>> few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>
>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind
>>>>> auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical
>>>>> musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many
>>>>> black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem
>>>>> in the first place). Wonder why that is?
>>>>
>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as
>>>> though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view?
>>>
>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that
>>> you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey.
>>>
>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they
>>> can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they
>>> somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent
>>> and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a
>>> 'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'.
>>
>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias
>> meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society.
> 
> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial about
> it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may with
> regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups.
> 
> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial occurrence
> than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, the best people
> for the job are the ones who are hired.
> 
> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
> 
> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations are
> what they are because they hired the best people for the job. Why is one
> a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs to be fixed?

Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given instance.

Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.