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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy
Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 02:20:44 -0000 (UTC)
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BTR1701  <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>On May 18, 2024 at 4:15:05 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>  In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>>>  On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>  In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>  On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>>>>  <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>  The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701
><atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>      >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>>>      >sight-readers,
>>>>>>>>>      >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>>      >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or
>something.)
>>>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>>>      ><rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>      I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have
>>>>>>>>>      managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these
>>>>>>>>>      days
>>>>>>>>>      are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they
>>>>>>>>  weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this
>>>>>>>>  to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started
>>>>>>>>  being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the
>>>>>>>>  performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now
>>>>>>>>  seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll
>>>>>>>>  call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be
>>>>>>>>  given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have
>>>>>>>>  been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some
>>>>>>>>  kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots
>>>>>>>>  they're demanding.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the
>>>>>>>>  people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in
>>>>>>>>  general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going
>>>>>>>>  out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of
>>>>>>>>  this and/or defend it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where
>>>>>>>  literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was
>>>>>>>  an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition
>>>>>>>  system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist
>>>>>>>  because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges
>>>>>>>  have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender
>they are,
>>>>>>>  etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This
>>>>>>>  used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the
>>>>>>>  inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over
>>>>>>>  whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>>>>  result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure
>>>>>>>  talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a
>>>>>>>  decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the
>>>>>>>  intelligentsia.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that
>>>>>>>  screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against
>>>>>>>  whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender,
>>>>>>>  rather than ability to play the music.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial
>>>>>>>  discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a
>>>>>>>  few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind
>>>>>>>  auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical
>>>>>>>  musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many
>>>>>>>  black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem
>>>>>>>  in the first place). Wonder why that is?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as
>>>>>>  though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that
>>>>>  you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they
>>>>>  can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for
>>>>>  it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they
>>>>>  somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent
>>>>>  and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a
>>>>>  'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'.
>>>> 
>>>>  But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias
>>>>  meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society.
>>>  
>>>  But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial about
>>>  it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may with
>>>  regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups.
>>>  
>>>  A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial occurrence
>>>  than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, the best people
>>>  for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>>  
>>>  Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>>  mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>>  
>>>  Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations are
>>>  what they are because they hired the best people for the job. Why is one
>>>  a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs to be fixed?
>> 
>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given instance.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.
>
>And the teams who make the most money are the teams who win-- i.e., the teams
>with the most talent. If you want to start putting black people in orchestras
>despite them not being able to play Mahler as well as the white guy next in
>line, then you have to start forcing basketball teams to hire less-talented
>white guys who can't play as well as the top-ranked black players.

I don't care. I still want diversity-hire Jews in the NBA!