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From: Sebastian <sebastian@here.com.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Syst?me D
Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 09:03:06 -0000 (UTC)
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 May 2024 09:08:31 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian obviously hasn?t read 
> the biggest myths about systemd <http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-
> biggest-myths.html>:
> 
>> This contrasts with Systemd, which has more in common with communism. It
>> demands that everything be remade the Systemd way ...
> 
> It doesn?t demand anything. It?s Open Source, which means it respects your 
> freedoms. Also, like all good system software, it is designed to offer 
> ?mechanism, not policy?. It provides the mechanisms, which you can 
> configure to implement whatever policies you like.

> 
>> ... and has forced many poorly-reinvented wheels on
>> us in the process ...
> 
> It is made up of modular pieces. Outside of the core (init, journald, 
> udevd), everything else is optional.
> 

Getting rid of non-core Systemd components is easier said than done on most
distros. You didn't list systemd-logind in the "core" components,
implying it's optional, but try setting up a Debian or Fedora system
without it. Even Devuan, whose reason for existence is to be a
Systemd-free Debian, had to use a fork of systemd-logind rather than
just handling sessions the pre-Systemd way, because so many things
have been made to depend on it.