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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: text in programming languages, Unicode in strings Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 16:32:29 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <v2d2ht$3dv1l$1@dont-email.me> References: <v0s17o$2okf4$2@dont-email.me> <2024May12.110053@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <6124140226e28fd4afec0b435bdbeca1@www.novabbs.org> <2024May18.104040@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <v2anov$11l1$2@gal.iecc.com> <cMydnX2RTp4qb9X7nZ2dnZfqnPjByJ2d@earthlink.com> <d9c6d09f938484861a4ff3d09133513e@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 16:32:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a150505fdb264ec1f66b9f40b621b90c"; logging-data="3603509"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18rsiapM1KOFUDJV5cKxrQ2nI9XztHY+WEvZ/iVGDmXvg==" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:RQbIqXWjvM3fGYO7qrrYpdObyy4= In-Reply-To: <d9c6d09f938484861a4ff3d09133513e@www.novabbs.org> Bytes: 2803 MitchAlsup1 wrote: > David Schultz wrote: > >> On 5/18/24 12:16 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> That's a common misconception. The point of having COBOL look like >>> English wasn't to make it easier to program but to make it easier for >>> non-programmers to read. Think of an auditor looking at the program to >>> see if its business logic matches what the company says it does. >>> >> It certainly didn't make it easier for people learning to use it. > >> I remember way back in my undergrad days, when keypunch was king, that >> every semester at some point someone would hang out a shingle: COBOL >> Help Desk. > >> Never saw the equivalent for FORTRAN, etc. > > I, myself, played the Fortran part. But, instead of having a help desk, > I could do almost anything a Fortran programmer wanted over a > telephone. > I was sitting over my soldering bench disassembling a stereo, and > teaching > a person how to do a simple sort program while repairing a stereo > amplifier. Reminds me of talking to a Hydro guy in southern Iran, close to the Iraq border, who had a non-bootable laptop. I was able to tell him on the phone how to run debug to load the master boot record and hex-edit it to make it bootable again and then write it back, without seeing his screen at any point. Terje -- - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"