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From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Can someone please verify the execution trace of this?
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 12:42:51 -0700
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On 5/20/2024 12:38 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/20/2024 2:36 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 5/20/2024 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2024 2:30 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2024 12:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/20/2024 2:23 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 12:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 1:35 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 10:20 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 12:15 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Am 20.05.2024 um 18:01 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 10:16 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 20.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a simple question about the behavior of C functions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This group's purpose is the C/C++ language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your question is generic to most languages and you're
>>>>>>>>>>>> not asking how to do that in C or how to improve that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you're asking the same thing for years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am very persistent. I keep asking until
>>>>>>>>>>> I get an answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After some time you should recognize you're doing circles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am asking a straight forward question that people
>>>>>>>>> keep ignoring it has nothing to do will my circles:
>>>>>>>>> Ask until answered stops when answered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think of your halt decider running a black box program. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *It is not even a halt decider in this post it is merely a 
>>>>>>> simulator*
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Humm... So, what is your main point? You cannot decide if a 
>>>>>> program will halt, _unless_ you code the test program?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My ONLY point has been to put the people that have continued to
>>>>> lie about the behavior of D correctly simulated by H in their place.
>>>>> Several people have consistently lied about this for two years.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My only point is that one cannot 100% totally decide if a black box 
>>>> program will halt, or not.
>>>
>>> I am not asking about any black box program.
>>> D is fully specified and the only relevant detail about H is that
>>>
>>> it correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D thus including 0 to ∞
>>> recursive simulations of H simulating itself simulating D.
>>
>> How do you simulate to infinity, and perhaps beyond?
>>
> 
> The Turing machine isomorphism of the H/D pair is off-topic
> for this group.

Why?


> 
>>>
>>> *From this we can conclude*
>>> *D correctly simulated by H never reaches its own line 06 and halts*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>