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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: Can someone please verify the execution trace of this? Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 14:48:44 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 65 Message-ID: <v2g9es$59f0$2@dont-email.me> References: <v2b78t$2vima$1@dont-email.me> <v2df79$3ghfd$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2di7v$3gujt$1@dont-email.me> <v2eada$3p6sk$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2edbr$3pl2i$1@dont-email.me> <v2eluk$3r1qu$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2enl9$3r9t0$1@dont-email.me> <v2erbb$3rt3e$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2fnqq$1hhg$1@dont-email.me> <v2fpgi$1vq6$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2fs3s$2i1u$1@dont-email.me> <v2g0fd$3hp3$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2g0oc$3j0c$1@dont-email.me> <v2g55d$4cjb$1@dont-email.me> <v2g7fv$4nu0$4@dont-email.me> <v2g7vf$51fq$1@dont-email.me> <v2g882$52r2$1@dont-email.me> <v2g8c6$51fq$2@dont-email.me> <v2g8jq$551c$1@dont-email.me> <v2g8s8$51fq$5@dont-email.me> <v2g8vg$551c$4@dont-email.me> <v2g96d$51fq$8@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 21:48:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="629f9cefad5d4023792ce8f8ed8d9594"; logging-data="173536"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19TvOCrjOzJZdsI6IsLTD0C" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:hTu2rjWXlq/xOud0EiLbPuk6Z3w= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v2g96d$51fq$8@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3748 On 5/20/2024 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 5/20/2024 12:40 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/20/2024 2:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > [...] >>> So, your thing will tell me if a program XYZ will halt or not only >>> _after_ it simulates to infinity? What am I missing here? >> >> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >> >> typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function >> 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); >> 01 int D(ptr p) >> 02 { >> 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); >> 04 if (Halt_Status) >> 05 HERE: goto HERE; >> 06 return Halt_Status; >> 07 } >> 08 >> 09 int main() >> 10 { >> 11 H(D,D); >> 12 return 0; >> 13 } >> [...] >> For every H/D pair of the above template D correctly simulated by pure >> function (thus computable function) H cannot possibly reach its own >> final state at line 06 and halt. >> >> > > Define H? I have two fully operational examples of H that have been fully operational for years. I am not talking about those. I am only talking this: typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); 01 int D(ptr p) 02 { 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); 04 if (Halt_Status) 05 HERE: goto HERE; 06 return Halt_Status; 07 } 08 09 int main() 10 { 11 H(D,D); 12 return 0; 13 } Every element of an infinite set of H/D pairs matching the above template where H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D thus including 0 to ∞ recursive simulations of H simulating itself simulating D. *D correctly simulated by H never reaches its own line 06 and halts* -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer