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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: Can someone please verify the execution trace of this? Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 12:50:03 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: <v2g9hc$51fq$10@dont-email.me> References: <v2b78t$2vima$1@dont-email.me> <v2df79$3ghfd$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2di7v$3gujt$1@dont-email.me> <v2eada$3p6sk$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2edbr$3pl2i$1@dont-email.me> <v2eluk$3r1qu$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2enl9$3r9t0$1@dont-email.me> <v2erbb$3rt3e$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2fnqq$1hhg$1@dont-email.me> <v2fpgi$1vq6$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2fs3s$2i1u$1@dont-email.me> <v2g0fd$3hp3$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2g0oc$3j0c$1@dont-email.me> <v2g55d$4cjb$1@dont-email.me> <v2g7fv$4nu0$4@dont-email.me> <v2g7vf$51fq$1@dont-email.me> <v2g882$52r2$1@dont-email.me> <v2g8c6$51fq$2@dont-email.me> <v2g8jq$551c$1@dont-email.me> <v2g8s8$51fq$5@dont-email.me> <v2g8vg$551c$4@dont-email.me> <v2g96d$51fq$8@dont-email.me> <v2g9es$59f0$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 21:50:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c64270d287de33e0b6496e257486af9b"; logging-data="165370"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18b+92oo0ZoZPkVJu89Va/KWS9/mcYOlkA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:TPG+swvT84ok48HSWuVwgdB7Z3I= In-Reply-To: <v2g9es$59f0$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3969 On 5/20/2024 12:48 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/20/2024 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> On 5/20/2024 12:40 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 5/20/2024 2:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> [...] >>>> So, your thing will tell me if a program XYZ will halt or not only >>>> _after_ it simulates to infinity? What am I missing here? >>> >>> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >>> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >>> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >>> >>> typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function >>> 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); >>> 01 int D(ptr p) >>> 02 { >>> 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); >>> 04 if (Halt_Status) >>> 05 HERE: goto HERE; >>> 06 return Halt_Status; >>> 07 } >>> 08 >>> 09 int main() >>> 10 { >>> 11 H(D,D); >>> 12 return 0; >>> 13 } >>> [...] >>> For every H/D pair of the above template D correctly simulated by pure >>> function (thus computable function) H cannot possibly reach its own >>> final state at line 06 and halt. >>> >>> >> >> Define H? > > I have two fully operational examples of H that have been fully > operational for years. I am not talking about those. I am only > talking this: > > typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function > 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); > 01 int D(ptr p) > 02 { > 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); > 04 if (Halt_Status) > 05 HERE: goto HERE; > 06 return Halt_Status; > 07 } > 08 > 09 int main() > 10 { > 11 H(D,D); > 12 return 0; > 13 } > > Every element of an infinite set of H/D pairs matching the above > template where H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D thus including > 0 to ∞ recursive simulations of H simulating itself simulating D. > *D correctly simulated by H never reaches its own line 06 and halts* > > Can I create a program that your simulator will correctly say, halts or not? If so, how? How does your simulator call into my program? Where do I begin execution?