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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: Can someone please verify the execution trace of this? Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 12:52:13 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: <v2g9le$51fq$11@dont-email.me> References: <v2b78t$2vima$1@dont-email.me> <v2df79$3ghfd$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2di7v$3gujt$1@dont-email.me> <v2eada$3p6sk$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2edbr$3pl2i$1@dont-email.me> <v2eluk$3r1qu$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2enl9$3r9t0$1@dont-email.me> <v2erbb$3rt3e$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2fnqq$1hhg$1@dont-email.me> <v2fpgi$1vq6$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2fs3s$2i1u$1@dont-email.me> <v2g0fd$3hp3$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v2g0oc$3j0c$1@dont-email.me> <v2g55d$4cjb$1@dont-email.me> <v2g7fv$4nu0$4@dont-email.me> <v2g7vf$51fq$1@dont-email.me> <v2g882$52r2$1@dont-email.me> <v2g8c6$51fq$2@dont-email.me> <v2g8jq$551c$1@dont-email.me> <v2g8s8$51fq$5@dont-email.me> <v2g8vg$551c$4@dont-email.me> <v2g96d$51fq$8@dont-email.me> <v2g9es$59f0$2@dont-email.me> <v2g9hc$51fq$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 21:52:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c64270d287de33e0b6496e257486af9b"; logging-data="165370"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+yTNpTUUJI0P93OhD9FhMTZdr6A4DiJc4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:j6/yZdKRcO/sgDE693yPhT7+98o= In-Reply-To: <v2g9hc$51fq$10@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4166 On 5/20/2024 12:50 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 5/20/2024 12:48 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/20/2024 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>> On 5/20/2024 12:40 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/20/2024 2:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>> [...] >>>>> So, your thing will tell me if a program XYZ will halt or not only >>>>> _after_ it simulates to infinity? What am I missing here? >>>> >>>> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >>>> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >>>> *The 100% totally complete every single detail scope of my post* >>>> >>>> typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function >>>> 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); >>>> 01 int D(ptr p) >>>> 02 { >>>> 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); >>>> 04 if (Halt_Status) >>>> 05 HERE: goto HERE; >>>> 06 return Halt_Status; >>>> 07 } >>>> 08 >>>> 09 int main() >>>> 10 { >>>> 11 H(D,D); >>>> 12 return 0; >>>> 13 } >>>> [...] >>>> For every H/D pair of the above template D correctly simulated by pure >>>> function (thus computable function) H cannot possibly reach its own >>>> final state at line 06 and halt. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Define H? >> >> I have two fully operational examples of H that have been fully >> operational for years. I am not talking about those. I am only >> talking this: >> >> typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function >> 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); >> 01 int D(ptr p) >> 02 { >> 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); >> 04 if (Halt_Status) >> 05 HERE: goto HERE; >> 06 return Halt_Status; >> 07 } >> 08 >> 09 int main() >> 10 { >> 11 H(D,D); >> 12 return 0; >> 13 } >> >> Every element of an infinite set of H/D pairs matching the above >> template where H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D thus including >> 0 to ∞ recursive simulations of H simulating itself simulating D. >> *D correctly simulated by H never reaches its own line 06 and halts* >> >> > > Can I create a program that your simulator will correctly say, halts or > not? If so, how? How does your simulator call into my program? Where do > I begin execution? So, I can define H? Because it looks like a function pointer.