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From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 11:03:13 -0400
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On 5/20/24 4:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v2g6ot$4mgb$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/20/2024 2:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v2foco$1mk4$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/19/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.:
>>>>>>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an
>>>>>>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial
>>>>>>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they
>>>>>>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance
>>>>>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial
>>>>>>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases,
>>>>>>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>>>>>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations
>>>>>>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job.
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that
>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be fixed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given
>>>>>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to
>>>>>>>>> defend the indefensible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me help you out:  The 'general policy' is to promote blacks,
>>>>>>>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to
>>>>>>>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such
>>>>>>>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras?
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