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Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 16:27:44 -0000 (UTC)
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-hh wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 11:07:01 -0400 :

>> Which is irrelevant.
> 
> Indeed.  All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along 
> to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.

You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).

> It would take 
> some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in 
> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New 
> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.

Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.

What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them,
(since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).

Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery, 
then your choices are severely limited.

But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware 
(because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).

>>>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>>>
>>> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a 
>>> variety
>>> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
>> 
>> No... ...it's really not.
> 
> This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound 
> statement:  by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a 
> whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.

Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry,
you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.
 
> As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean? 

It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple
products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.

> Its only 
> of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full' 
> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then 
> also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than 
> software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).

Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it
knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.

Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.

> Plus the Law of 
> Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger 
> doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant.  To use a 
> analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but 
> that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.

You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the
hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.

>> Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
> 
> Yes, that's been their track record history.  

Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple
says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.

>>>   *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software 
>>> updates*
> 
> These "7 years" announcements were clearly made to try to have their 
> products be better able to compete against Apple.
> 
> Plus they're merely promises of future performance which remains yet to 
> be seen as achievable in real world practice. Let's wait to see what 
> their respective SEC filings say about these initiatives.

Why do you think the iPhone historically always has had more than twice the
zero-day holes and more than 1-1/2 times the exploits of Android?

Do you think the fact the iPhone is exploited more and has more 0 days may
be because Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry perhaps?

See references in the sig since I speak facts about Apple & Android.
-- 
FACT:
 *Apple only fully supports a single release.*
  <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

FACT:
 *Apple always has far more exploits than does Android.*
  <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 

FACT:
 *Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
  <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

FACT:
 *Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
  "The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.
  *We'll see cases of iOS code which seems to have never worked*,
  *iOS code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
  *or no code review before the iOS release was shipped to users*." 

See also:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2016/02/15/what-apple-did-and-didnt-say-about-its-software-quality/>
<https://www.quiverquant.com/news/Apple%20Prioritizes%20Software%20Stability%20Over%20New%20Features%20in%20Strategic%20Shift>
<https://www.axios.com/2018/01/30/scoop-apple-delays-ios-features-to-focus-on-reliability-performance-1517278421>
<https://www.quiverquant.com/news/Apple%20Prioritizes%20Software%20Stability%20Over%20New%20Features%20in%20Strategic%20Shift>