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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: An actual circuit Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 15:35:00 -0400 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Lines: 159 Message-ID: <v2o5p4$3102$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> Injection-Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 19:35:00 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com; logging-data="99330"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blueworldhosting.com" Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZvWtAZ2XLtB7vUU/2KcRFbW4sbA= sha256:8e49V7JrgMKG1kQdvNcMSUDqFJmRwYcy5vJ9YL8v3VU= sha1:jYqLQMt2mAnWhEmb6nHrmpv+184= sha256:rNIpHP1c2UVUHOurw1KAQ5TEgBz1VrVJ3wGp0MuI32g= X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Bytes: 5205 I was having a conversation with a younger person who seemed to be of the view that to make an LED flash you would need something to decide when it should be on or off. So that would be some kind of software or digital system. This reminded me of when, in my teen years, I was curious about how slow I could make an LED flash without using any expensively large capacitors. I built a circuit like the one below but it needed a kick starter (another resistor, larger capacitor and diode) to make it go at power on. LTSpice says the circuit below starts up with only a little imbalance in the values of R2 and R6 but how can I be sure that a real circuit will do this when component tolerances are taken into account? Watch out for line wraps and 0.1 uF character encoding issues. Version 4 SHEET 1 1396 772 WIRE -144 -512 -384 -512 WIRE -16 -512 -144 -512 WIRE 496 -512 -16 -512 WIRE 624 -512 496 -512 WIRE -144 -432 -144 -512 WIRE -16 -432 -16 -512 WIRE 496 -432 496 -512 WIRE 624 -432 624 -512 WIRE -208 -272 -272 -272 WIRE -144 -272 -144 -368 WIRE -144 -272 -208 -272 WIRE -16 -272 -16 -352 WIRE 32 -272 -16 -272 WIRE 64 -272 32 -272 WIRE 176 -272 128 -272 WIRE 352 -272 304 -272 WIRE 448 -272 416 -272 WIRE 496 -272 496 -352 WIRE 496 -272 448 -272 WIRE 624 -272 624 -368 WIRE 688 -272 624 -272 WIRE 752 -272 688 -272 WIRE -384 -256 -384 -512 WIRE -16 -192 -16 -272 WIRE 496 -192 496 -272 WIRE 96 -128 32 -128 WIRE 176 -128 304 -272 WIRE 176 -128 96 -128 WIRE 304 -128 176 -272 WIRE 384 -128 304 -128 WIRE 448 -128 384 -128 WIRE -144 -48 -144 -272 WIRE 624 -48 624 -272 WIRE -16 0 -16 -96 WIRE -16 0 -80 0 WIRE 496 0 496 -96 WIRE 560 0 496 0 WIRE 176 16 176 -128 WIRE 304 16 304 -128 WIRE -16 32 -16 0 WIRE 496 32 496 0 WIRE -144 96 -144 48 WIRE 624 96 624 48 WIRE -384 208 -384 -176 WIRE -144 208 -144 176 WIRE -144 208 -384 208 WIRE -16 208 -16 112 WIRE -16 208 -144 208 WIRE 176 208 176 96 WIRE 176 208 -16 208 WIRE 304 208 304 96 WIRE 304 208 176 208 WIRE 496 208 496 112 WIRE 496 208 304 208 WIRE 624 208 624 176 WIRE 624 208 496 208 WIRE -384 240 -384 208 FLAG 32 -272 leftd FLAG 448 -272 rightd FLAG 96 -128 leftg FLAG 384 -128 rightg FLAG -384 240 0 FLAG -208 -272 leftled FLAG 688 -272 rightled SYMBOL njf 448 -192 R0 WINDOW 0 0 -11 Left 2 WINDOW 3 -59 98 Left 2 SYMATTR InstName J1 SYMATTR Value 2N3819 SYMBOL njf 32 -192 M0 WINDOW 0 7 -9 Left 2 WINDOW 3 -64 100 Left 2 SYMATTR InstName J2 SYMATTR Value 2N3819 SYMBOL npn 560 -48 R0 WINDOW 0 61 31 Left 2 WINDOW 3 61 69 Left 2 SYMATTR InstName Q2 SYMATTR Value 2N3904 SYMBOL res -32 -448 R0 SYMATTR InstName R2 SYMATTR Value 2.7k SYMBOL res 480 -448 R0 SYMATTR InstName R6 SYMATTR Value 3.3k SYMBOL voltage -384 -272 R0 WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 0 WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0 SYMATTR InstName V1 SYMATTR Value 12 SYMBOL cap 64 -256 R270 WINDOW 0 32 32 VTop 2 WINDOW 3 0 32 VBottom 2 SYMATTR InstName C2 SYMATTR Value 0.1µ SYMATTR SpiceLine V=25 Irms=0 Rser=0.0173 Lser=350p mfg="Würth Elektronik" pn="885012207072 WCAP-CSGP 0805" type="X7R" SYMBOL res 480 16 R0 SYMATTR InstName R7 SYMATTR Value 1k SYMBOL npn -80 -48 M0 WINDOW 0 57 22 Left 2 WINDOW 3 55 56 Left 2 SYMATTR InstName Q3 SYMATTR Value 2N3904 SYMBOL res -32 16 R0 SYMATTR InstName R3 SYMATTR Value 1k SYMBOL res 160 0 R0 SYMATTR InstName R4 SYMATTR Value 10Meg SYMBOL res 288 0 R0 SYMATTR InstName R5 SYMATTR Value 10Meg SYMBOL res 608 80 R0 SYMATTR InstName R8 SYMATTR Value 150 SYMBOL res -160 80 R0 SYMATTR InstName R1 SYMATTR Value 150 SYMBOL LED 608 -432 R0 WINDOW 0 31 -3 Left 2 WINDOW 3 33 77 Left 2 SYMATTR InstName D7 SYMATTR Value NSCW100 SYMBOL LED -160 -432 R0 WINDOW 0 -32 3 Left 2 WINDOW 3 -113 67 Left 2 SYMATTR InstName D6 SYMATTR Value NSCW100 SYMBOL cap 352 -256 R270 WINDOW 0 32 32 VTop 2 WINDOW 3 0 32 VBottom 2 SYMATTR InstName C3 SYMATTR Value 0.1µ SYMATTR SpiceLine V=25 Irms=0 Rser=0.0173 Lser=350p mfg="Würth Elektronik" pn="885012207072 WCAP-CSGP 0805" type="X7R" TEXT -344 240 Left 2 !.tran 1000