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Subject: Re: Considering the feelings of felons
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 17:31:52 -0400
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On 5/23/2024 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v2o7tu$1tkcc$2@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/23/2024 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> In the race to the bottom, my state has made a bold and aggressive move.
>>> How can California catch up?
>>>
>>> The legislature sent a bill to the governor, HB4409, an amendment to the
>>> Crime Reduction Act of 2009.
>>>
>>> I know it's a House bill but it's actually an amendment managed on the
>>> Senate side. My legislature has a practice in which a series of shell
>>> bills are passed early in the session, then amended by deleting everything
>>> after the enacting clause, as it gives legislative leaders greater power
>>> to shove bills through at the end of session; very little happens before
>>> the final weeks of regular session.
>>>
>>> 	Changes references from "offenders" to "justice-impacted
>>> 	individuals". Provides that funds shall be distributed via a
>>> 	grant program (rather than allotment of funds shall be based on
>>> 	a formula). Provides that the Adult Redeploy Illinois Oversight
>>> 	Board is created to oversee, provide guidance, and develop an
>>> 	administrative structure for the Adult Redeploy Illinois
>>> 	Program. Provides that once all members have been appointed, the
>>> 	Board may exercise any power, perform any function, take any
>>> 	action, or do anything in furtherance of its purposes and goals
>>> 	upon the appointment of a quorum of its members. Establishes
>>> 	specified membership on the Adult Redeploy Illinois Oversight
>>> 	Board. Provides that the Oversight Board shall, in addition to
>>> 	its other duties establish a grant program (rather than develop
>>> 	a formula) for the allotment of funds to local jurisdictions for
>>> 	local and community-based services in lieu of commitment to the
>>> 	Department of Corrections and a penalty amount for failure to
>>> 	reach the goal of reduced commitments stipulated in the plans.
>>> 	Provides that grant funds awarded shall be administered by the
>>> 	Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, in coordination
>>> 	with the Oversight Board, and shall be consistent with the
>>> 	requirements of the Grant Accountability and Transparency Act.
>>> 	Provides that the Illinois Criminal Justice Information
>>> 	Authority shall provide administrative support to the Adult
>>> 	Redeploy Illinois Oversight Board.
>>>
>>> https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4409&GAID=17&GA=103&D
>>> ocTypeID=HB&LegID=151356&SessionID=112
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what "Adult Redeploy" is. I'm not sure if it's pre-trial
>>> diversion or if it's for adults leaving prison and finding work for them
>>> while still on parole or probation. "Commitment" to the Department of
>>> Corrections sure sounds like incarceration.
>>>
>>> Now, I heard this on WBBM radio, the 24-hour news station formerly the
>>> CBS O&O but now Audacy. They picked up on requiring state agencies not
>>> to use the word "offender" any longer.
>>>
>>> My state is gerrymander central for the state legislature, perfectly
>>> legal thanks to promotion of gerrymandering by the John Roberts Supreme
>>> Court versus individual rights of voters to any representation that they
>>> might otherwise choose if the United States had free and fair elections.
>>> The next time John Roberts comes up for re-election, will you please
>>> join me in opposing him?
>>>
>>> In my state's constitution, the supermajority needed to override a veto
>>> and pass other privileged motions is 3/5. In both houses, the Democrats
>>> did such an amazing job drawing districts that there's a supermajority
>>> in each.
>>>
>>> The Republican opponent, Sen. Steve McClure, asked if victims would be
>>> called "criminally impacted individuals" but the sponsor didn't touch
>>> that term. "There's been a tremendous rush in this chamber to take away
>>> penalties, take away accurate language to reflect criminal behavior, take
>>> away crimes. Most importantly there seems to be this incredible rush to
>>> take away all accountability for people who commit crimes," said McClure.
>>>
>>> Note McClure's objection to moviePigization of legal language.
>>>
>>> https://www.audacy.com/wbbm780/news/local/bill-passes-state-legislature-to-c
>>> hange-the-term-offenders
>>
>> Does it help to point out there *is* a difference between "offenders"
>> and "justice-impacted individuals"?  Hint: think of parole boards who
>> refuse to free a model prisoner as long as he maintains his innocence...
> 
> Just say you're guilty to get out, then tell anyone who will listen that
> you're really innocent and you only said you were guilty to gain your
> freedom.
> 
> Of course such people aren't who the politically correct lunatics in the
> legislature are referring to and you know it. They're talking about the
> run-of-the-mill shitbag who commits crime, gets caught, prosecuted,
> convicted, and imprisoned. The hearts of these politicians inexplicably
> bleed for such people and rather than worrying about how their victims
> are coping with the violence and loss that have been inflicted on them,
> the pols sit around and think up new jargon to soft-pedal who it is
> these shitbags really are.

I've no reason to doubt that, as I've been told, prisoners routinely 
profess their innocence to each other.  And since we know by now that 
*sometimes* they're right, we have to admit that some prisoners are 
indeed "taking one for the team" in order for us (including them and 
their families) to reap the stability our justice system provides.  But 
at the same time, no, I don't understand how the wording change we're 
discussing, though semantically meaningful, reached the top of any 
serious legislator's priority list.