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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: How will the police find me.
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 21:33:01 -0000 (UTC)
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micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 20 May 2024 18:38:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris
> <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 19 May 2024 21:58:37 -0400, knuttle
>>> <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 05/19/2024 9:46 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>> Going hiking tomorrow.  Finally realized I was sending my location to my
>>>>> ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it.   Assuming the worst, that I
>>>>> break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the phone is broken or
>>>>> stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's 6PM and I still haven't
>>>>> texted her to say I'm done, she can see my phone's location using the
>>>>> simple instructions I found on the web.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But if she's unable to explain to the police where I am, how do the
>>>>> police figure it out?    Can they see everyone's location just by
>>>>> knowing their phone number?   This would be bad if it were for suspected
>>>>> criminals and they didn't have a warrant, but if it's to save me, I'd
>>>>> sort of like for them to know where I am.  And I don't want there to be
>>>>> a lot of time required to enable it each time for each new lost person.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or is my friend supposed to somehow send the location information she
>>>>> can see on her phone to their phone?   How?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> BTW, I started doing this last fall, without realizing the plan was
>>>>> incomplete.  Since then the AllTrails app has added the same feature to
>>>>> its maps.  It probably piggybacks on Google maps.  I'll know when I try
>>>>> the two tomorrow.   The AllTrails app is fantastic in that you can use
>>>>> it for free if you have cellular signal where you are walking, and if
>>>>> you pay for a year, you can download all the maps you'll want to use
>>>>> (which I think continue to work even after your subscription has
>>>>> expired) and you can use them without a cell signal.  AND, they show
>>>>> where on the trail you are.  The maps zoom in more than google maps do.
>>>>> I think they'll even tell you when it's time to turn, but that's not
>>>>> something I'd likely want to use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've come across a couple other non-Google maps that include GPS.  I
>>>>> think the Yorktown battlefield in Virginia was one of them. You really
>>>>> have to give a lot of credit to the USA government for putting those
>>>>> satellites up there.  Who would even have thunk it that this could work?
>>>>> 
>>>>> OTOH, i've read that the whole thing is a scam, and GPS doesn't really
>>>>> show where you are.  It just sends random locations, and people believe
>>>>> they are accurate.  People are so suggestible.  Many have drunk the
>>>>> kool-aid and they believe in GPS and vaccines.  It's sad.
>>> 
>>>> If you had Been in the Boy Scouts you would learn to live in the woods 
>>>> without a electronic device of any type.  You would learn about mark or 
>>>> finding marks so you could retrace your path.  You would learn about 
>>>> finding your direction so you do not get lost.
>>>> 
>>>> Learn to be in the woods before you go off wandering on a hike depending 
>>>> on your cellphone.  Knowledge of the Woods will save your life when your 
>>>> batteries expire.
>>> 
>>> I presume you're kidding, but just in case, I'll answer as if you
>>> weren't.
>>> 
>>> I've been hiking in the woods alone since I was 6 years old.  
>> 
>> Then you should know that before you head off to tell someone your route
>> and approximate time you will be done by. Then if you're not back by the
>> time you said you would be that person can alert mountain rescue. 
> 
> I thought it was clear from my post that I did all that. 
> 
>> This has always been the case with no need for technology. 
> 
> No, the post revolved around knowing with some precision where I was,

Which in the scenario you provided of your phone being stolen or broken is
impossible. 

> not just somewhere, anywhere, on a 2 to 10 miles trail, so that on a
> loop trail rescuers can go clockwise or counter-clockwise from the trail
> head, whichever is quicker.  Or with yesterday's trai that went from one
> road to another 3 miles away and then via another route back to the
> first road, they can start at whichever road is closer to the person
> being rescued. 
> 
> Or, especially relevant yesterday when much of the trail on a hill near
> a river, even the path itself sloped to the side, if the person has
> rolled down a hill off the trail, so the rescuers don't walk right by
> him. 
> 
>> If you want to depend on fallible technology - requires battery, wifi, gps,
> 
> Only GPS and battery, and I have plenty of battery and GPS is exceedinly
> reliable.  There was no cell signal on 90% of the trail, and certainly
> no wifi. 

Well that's useless for anyone but you. Your ex nor the police will ever
where you are from your phone 90% of the time. 

> But I challenge your use of "depend on".  You missed the part that I had
> told my friend where I was going on and how long it would take me.   

Good. 

> The
> technology part is a supplement, so that they will be find me faster.

Not without a data connection they won't.