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Subject: Re: Do Microsoft?sCopilot+ PCs Require Linux?
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On 2024-05-23, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-23 5:51 p.m., Tyrone wrote:
>> On May 23, 2024 at 3:19:39 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Windows is a *type of* monopoly, in that only M$ controls it, but it
>>> is used as a general OS.
>> 
>> There is no such thing as "a type of monopoly".  Either you are or you are
>> not. The legal definition is very clear.
>> 
>> You can't have a monopoly on your own product. If that were the case then
>> Harley Davidson has a "monopoly" on Sportsters and McDonalds has a "monopoly"
>> on Big Macs.
>> 
>> But that's not how it works. Monopolies exist is markets. Not products. There
>> is plenty of competition in motorcycles and hamburgers. Apple can not have a
>> "monopoly" on iPhones for the same reason.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm probably part of the minority which actually 
> liked Windows Phones. It lacked decent music playing software, but using 
> it was rather nice before my in-call mic died.

Microsoft had a chance in the business sector with their Windows phones. 
They were rolling these out where my brother worked, but found out they 
didn't integrate with the company's voice mail system. Microsoft insisted 
that it be done their way, when the industry standard was already set 
differently. By the time Microsoft decided to accept the industry standard 
it was too late. The rollouts had stopped and business had returned their 
Windows phones. Microsoft's near monopoly in its OS, and its own hubris 
because of this, worked against them in this market. 

>>> But macOS isn't really less so, it just
>>> isn't seen as a "monopoly" because of lower market share, but what's
>>> the difference?  It's a proprietary OS.  I can't run native Mac
>>> software without a Mac, unless I have some kind of emulation scheme.
>> 
>> You can't run native Linux software without Linux either, unless you have some
>> kind of emulation scheme. Is Linux a "monopoly"?
>> 
>> Proprietary has nothing to do with being a monopoly. Monopoly means you have
>> 97% of the market and are actively buying up/shutting down competitors.
>
> This is something Microsoft was actively doing in the late 90s. It is 
> still buying up game studios and smaller software companies, so it 
> hasn't changed all that much.
>
>> Having a successful product does not make you a monopoly. Hell, people are
>> trying to claim that Apple is a monopoly with 25% of the phone market!  That
>> is impossible. There is TONS of competition in the phone market.
>> 
>> Hint: U.S. anti-trust laws are in place to protect consumers. Not competitors.
>>   Epic Games and Spotify whining about Apple means nothing. No one is forcing
>> either to support Apple. If you don't like the terms of the contracts you sign
>> with Apple, then you are free to tell Apple to Fuck Off and not sign the
>> contracts.
>> 
>> If enough companies did this, Apple might change their ways. But whining to
>> lawyers is going to go nowhere. As the judge in the Apple/Epic case famously
>> said, "Being successful is not against the law".
>
> Spotify can whine all that it wants but both Apple Music and YouTube 
> Music has better offerings. Apple gives you the best interface and sound 
> quality whereas YouTube Music offers the added benefit of blocking ads 
> on YouTube.

I didn't know Spotify was whining. Last I saw they had over twice the market 
share of both Apple and Amazon.

Epic DID win the right to advertise alternate ways to pay for their products 
on iPhones, BTW. The 30% commission that both Google and Apple charge to pay 
to use their payment system is gouging. It's going to end up hurting both 
companies as more and more app makers will opt out of their payment system. 

-- 
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an 
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality." 
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..."     — St. Augustine