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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: [OT] German politician successfully prosecuted for telling the
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 22:29:19 -0400
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On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v2obln$1ubc9$1@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v2o7bi$1tkcc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v2ns6e$1rgqc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense
>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously,
>>>>>> it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in a
>>>>> discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred"
>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda.
>>>>
>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie.
>>>
>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because you've
>>> created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some nebulous
>>> concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all political
>>> opposition and have created a dictatorial society where anyone who
>>> speaks against you is criminalized.
>>>
>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about
>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!"
>>
>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world to
>> allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything.  The
>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding
>> judge.  So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
>> unconstitutional
> 
> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so
> 'unconstitutional' isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were
> to be passed here, it would absolutely without question be
> unconstitutional.
> 
>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
> 
> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.

Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore.  (Isn't 
it?)  How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography?