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-hh wrote on Fri, 24 May 2024 10:30:57 -0400 :

>> You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
>> (mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
> 
> Since the rest of the Industry (well, 95%) has adopted the same design 
> choice, it really isn't as tyrannical of Apple as you're trying to make 
> it out to be.  It is more indicative of Apple appropriately identifying 
> a "where the puck is going to be".

You're so desperate to excuse Apple's well-known anti-consumer stance that
you brazen fabricate out of thin air that more than half is, now, only 5%? 

>>> It would take
>>> some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
>>> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
>>> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
>> 
>> Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
> 
> I'm aware of that.  Now go back and check to see how many of those were 
> actually --> still in production <-- versus being obsolete stock that 
> was merely still available for sale.

Those are recent figures which you hate because Apple has never supplied
the user with basic hardware functionality that Android always enjoyed.

>> What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
>> jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them,
>> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).
> 
> Incorrect, because your claim also means ~half have none of these 
> features too.  And what have all three?  Probably just a tiny fraction.
> 
> Once again, you're just not being successful in identifying if any of 
> these product feature are integral to product success in the, to 
> demonstrate if Apple's disinclination towards them is "anti-consumer".
> 
> Indeed, if they were as much of a "pro consumer"  differentiator as 
> you're trying to imply, then the fraction of Androids which featured all 
> three should be quite large.  It isn't.

It's no longer shocking how desperate you Apple religious zealots are to
defend that Apple has never supplied you with basic hardware functionality.

>> Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
>> then your choices are severely limited.
>> 
>> But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware
>> (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).
> 
> But 95% of Android doesn't offer that choice either, so that feature is 
> simply not an indicator.  Especially since you've not been able to show 
> if the 5% residual is actually still in production, as opposed to left 
> over inventory.

It's no longer amazing how desperate you are to defend that cheap iPhone
which has never had even the most basic of standard hardware functionality.

>>>>>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
>>>>> variety
>>>>> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
>>>>
>>>> No... ...it's really not.
>>>
>>> This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
>>> statement:  by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
>>> whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
>> 
>> Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry,
>> you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.
> 
> Just what is "hotfix" supposed to mean here?  And why is it now being 
> introduced as a new Goalpost?

You zealots are so desperate to defend Apple's worst support in the
industry that you claim you don't even know what a bug fix is? 

>>> As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
>> 
>> It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
>> support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple
>> products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.
> I've not read the fine print because I'm not a fanboy, nor have I ever 
> had any issues or troubles from their current & historical level of 
> product support:  I'm predominantly going by what you've tried to brag 
> about, which I see as evidence of Android/Google trying to catch up.

You're too desperate. Fixing all the known bugs is not fine print.
Fixing all known bugs is what everyone does for multiple releases.
            *Except Apple*

Only Apple only fixes all the bugs it knows about in only one release.
  *Apple has the worst support in the industry*
 
>>> Its only
>>> of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full'
>>> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
>>> also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
>>> software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
>> 
>> Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it
>> knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.
> 
> How can any software developer patch bugs that they don't know about?
> 
> Or are you trying to criticize the entire industry for their practice of 
> sun-setting support on old obsolete & superseded software that's if its 
> used by anyone at all, its <0.0001% of the installed base?
> 
> If so, show us the dates of the latest bug & security updates for 
> Android OS versions 1 (2008) through 6 (2015):  I'm sure that there's 
> been zero for the past five years, if not longer.

You are defending what is known to be the absolute worst support in the
industry &  you don't even understand how iOS or Android update.

>> Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.
> 
> Unsubstantiated claim.  Golly, how about that.

Read the cites. Every operating system except Apple's patches all bugs they
know about in multiple releases. Only Apple doesn't. That's just a fact. 

<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

>>> Plus the Law of
>>> Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
>>> doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant.  To use a
>>> analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
>>> that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
>> 
>> You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the
>> hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.
> 
> You're correct that I didn't bother to read that, because all that one 
> has to do to mitigate whatever theoretical risk you're concerned about 
> is just to maintain one's equipment to the latest OS.  Since MacOS and 
> iOS updates from Apple are free of charge, there's few reasons not to.

It's no longer shocking you Apple religious zealots deny even what Apple
said about their hotfix support being the worst in the industry bar none.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

>>>> Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's been their track record history.
>> 
>> Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
>> industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple
>> says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.
> 
> Unsubstantiated claim.  Again.  Golly, how about that.

And yet, I provided the cites which prove only Apple patches all the bugs
it knows about only in a single release while nobody's support is that bad.

Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates 
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
 *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*

<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
 "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of 
  security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

 *Google fixes all known bugs for 7 years of software updates*
 <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
 "That support covers everything, including full Android updates, 
  the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating 
_all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly. Forever.

<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
  "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
   referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered 
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