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On 5/25/24 12:00 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 24, 2024 at 7:34:05 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/24/2024 7:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>   On 5/24/2024 2:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>   In article <v2q9me$2ce49$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   On 5/23/2024 10:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>   On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
>>>>>>>>>>   charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
>>>>>>>>>>   unconstitutional
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional'
>>>>>>>>>   isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here,
>>>>>>>>>   it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore. (Isn't
>>>>>>>>   it?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Then I venture that you're purer than most. How do you characterize,
>>>>>>   e.g., a speech alleging that Jews drink the blood of infants? Isn't
>>>>>>   there a key difference to saying, e.g., Jews are Martians?
>>>>>
>>>>>   Cattle can be incited to action.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Humans are responsible for their own actions. You don't get to duck
>>>>>   responsibility for rioting or hating or whatever by claiming someone
>>>>>   incited you and you became a mindless automaton incapable of independent
>>>>>   thought or action.
>>>>>
>>>>>   If you're hating, it's because you chose to, not because someone incited
>>>>>   you.
>>>>
>>>>   This isn't about responsibility for an action, or even for hate.  It's
>>>>   about whether "incitement to hate" -- regardless of whether anyone's
>>>>   thus incited -- is a recognizable concept we can generally identify.
>>>   
>>>   No. As I said, people are responsible for their own actions. And 'hate'
>>>   isn't an action anyway. It's a thought or an emotion, two things the state
>>>   has no business regulating in the first place.
>>
>> What people do or feel is irrelevant.  The crime that'd be alleged by
>> "incitement to hate" is what you *tried* to have them do or feel.
> 
> Well, that would be the only crime in legal history where the attempt is
> punishable but actually completing the crime is not.
> 
> The legal dystopia you'd create if you were in charge is stupefying.
> 
> 


So what?  It's the law.  I don't care what it WOULD be... it's on the books.

You're supposed to be a lawyer.

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