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From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: An actual circuit
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 14:11:24 -0400
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"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:8k045j52u800u8s00ebhbkk0v408jgugog@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 May 2024 23:39:02 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message
>>news:obm25jtajqj96tjutjmo4vhlvglje74444@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 24 May 2024 22:56:02 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mike Monett VE3BTI" <spamme@not.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:XnsB17CDFBC01F77idtokenpost@135.181.20.170...
>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Insect cruelty. Plus you have to count their tiny feets backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only good bugs is dead bugs. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>
>>>>> The major flaw with dead bugs is you lose the identification of the ic.
>>>>>
....
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's cheap and easy now to make a few double-side or multilayer PCBs
>>> for anything complex.
>>
>>True but you can reuse a speedwire board :)
>
> Yuk! I remember how awful WireWrap protos were. I wrote a PDP-11
> program to optimize wrapping, the traveling-salesman problem.

I hated wire wrap but liked speedwire.
If it wasn't speedwire it was a soldering iron and what we called veroboard.
Non shrink-back ptfe wire was useful too.

>
> One nice thing about PCB protos is that you can keep them around
> forever, for future reference. Vias and ground planes and 50-ohm
> traces and edge-launch SMA connectors are all good. A spare unstuffed
> board or two is nice to have around too.
>
> I often put several different circuits on one board, and shear them
> apart.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lo1a43wi9ta7qry/Z-boards.jpg?raw=1
>
>>
>>What PCB design system/software do you use?
>
> PADS. We've been using PADS since the DOS/floppy disk days.

Ok not one I've used.

> It works
> well enough. We use the same ever-growing parts library and can open
> decades-old projects.

Yes I've had that problem. I think it was OrCAD which couldn't open older versions of its own files.

>
> What's weird is that Digikey has cheap proto "redboards" now but claim
> that they won't work from PADS files. Gerbers is Gerbers, I'd think.
>