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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach
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Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 17:45:17 -0400
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On 5/25/24 5:29 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/25/2024 4:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/25/24 5:13 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2024 4:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/24 4:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2024 3:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/25/24 3:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/25/2024 2:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/25/24 2:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As soon as you first hit the strawman deception change-the-subject
>>>>>>>>> fake rebuttal I pint this pout and erase everything else that 
>>>>>>>>> you say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Thread renamed to be 100% precisely accurate*
>>>>>>>>> Any divergence from the subject of the thread gets boilerplate 
>>>>>>>>> reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, you refuse to accept the meaning of your words, 
>>>>>>>> admitting that you plan to change them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip so that *Usenet Article Lookup* finds the whole message>
>>>>>>> http://al.howardknight.net/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not at all. I simply utterly reject the dishonest dodge
>>>>>>> of the strawman deception change-the-subject rebuttal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>>>>>>> 00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>>>>> 01       int D(ptr p)
>>>>>>> 02       {
>>>>>>> 03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
>>>>>>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>> 07       }
>>>>>>> 08
>>>>>>> 09       int main()
>>>>>>> 10       {
>>>>>>> 11         H(D,D);
>>>>>>> 12         return 0;
>>>>>>> 13       }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
>>>>>>> correctly simulated by pure function H. This was done because many
>>>>>>> reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly switch which H/D 
>>>>>>> pair
>>>>>>> was being referred to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Correct Simulation Defined*
>>>>>>>     This is provided because many reviewers had a different 
>>>>>>> notion of
>>>>>>>     correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates at 
>>>>>>> least one
>>>>>>>     of the x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86
>>>>>>>     instructions of D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     This may include correctly emulating the x86 instructions of 
>>>>>>> H in the
>>>>>>>     order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus calling 
>>>>>>> H(D,D) in
>>>>>>>     recursive simulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Execution Trace*
>>>>>>> Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D); H(D,D) simulates lines 01, 02, 
>>>>>>> and 03 of
>>>>>>> D. This invokes H(D,D) again to repeat the process in endless 
>>>>>>> recursive
>>>>>>> simulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, you refuse to accept the meaning of your words, 
>>>>>> admitting that you plan to change them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all and you cannot show that I disagree with the above
>>>>> words to the slightest trace of any degree what-so-ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Liar Liar Pants on fire? Will assume so until proven otherwise*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A don't say that you disagree woth them, 
>>>
>>>  >>> In other words, you refuse to accept the meaning of your words,
>>> YES YOU DID, LOOK AT YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE.
>>>
>>
>> No, I accept that you want to use your stipulated definition of the 
>> words, 
> 
> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
> 


Did you not read what I wrote?

You need to agree to the implications of those definitions before we can 
go on.

YOu keep on snipping them, so I presume the problem is you don't agree 
to them, but can't refute them.

Maybe I need to keep quoting them so you can see


The implications of your specifications are:

1) That your H is NOT a computation equivalent for a Turing machine.

2) That you simulations do NOT say anything about the actual behavior of 
the machine given on the input, especially about its halting status.

3) That you "infinite set of H/D pairs" does NOT correspond to the 
concept of the behavior of a machine, and

4) That you D and H are NOT eqivalents of the corresponding things in 
the Linz or Sipser proofs.

5) You are not interested in Honest Dialog, but are hoping someone will 
agree to baddly defined terms so you can claim support for your lies.


If you want to disagree, try to present some source for your claims.