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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach
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On 5/25/2024 5:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/25/24 6:40 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/25/2024 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/25/24 6:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2024 4:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/24 5:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/25/2024 4:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/25/24 5:13 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2024 4:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/24 4:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2024 3:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/24 3:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2024 2:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/24 2:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as you first hit the strawman deception 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change-the-subject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fake rebuttal I pint this pout and erase everything else 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Thread renamed to be 100% precisely accurate*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any divergence from the subject of the thread gets 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boilerplate reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you refuse to accept the meaning of your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, admitting that you plan to change them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip so that *Usenet Article Lookup* finds the whole message>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://al.howardknight.net/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I simply utterly reject the dishonest dodge
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the strawman deception change-the-subject rebuttal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>>>>>>>>>>>> 00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>>>>>>>>>> 01       int D(ptr p)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 02       {
>>>>>>>>>>>> 03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
>>>>>>>>>>>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>>>>>> 07       }
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08
>>>>>>>>>>>> 09       int main()
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10       {
>>>>>>>>>>>> 11         H(D,D);
>>>>>>>>>>>> 12         return 0;
>>>>>>>>>>>> 13       }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs 
>>>>>>>>>>>> where D is
>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly simulated by pure function H. This was done 
>>>>>>>>>>>> because many
>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly switch which 
>>>>>>>>>>>> H/D pair
>>>>>>>>>>>> was being referred to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Correct Simulation Defined*
>>>>>>>>>>>>     This is provided because many reviewers had a different 
>>>>>>>>>>>> notion of
>>>>>>>>>>>>     correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at least one
>>>>>>>>>>>>     of the x86 instructions of D in the order specified by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the x86
>>>>>>>>>>>>     instructions of D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     This may include correctly emulating the x86 
>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions of H in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus 
>>>>>>>>>>>> calling H(D,D) in
>>>>>>>>>>>>     recursive simulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Execution Trace*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D); H(D,D) simulates lines 01, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 02, and 03 of
>>>>>>>>>>>> D. This invokes H(D,D) again to repeat the process in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> endless recursive
>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you refuse to accept the meaning of your 
>>>>>>>>>>> words, admitting that you plan to change them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not at all and you cannot show that I disagree with the above
>>>>>>>>>> words to the slightest trace of any degree what-so-ever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Liar Liar Pants on fire? Will assume so until proven otherwise*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A don't say that you disagree woth them, 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  >>> In other words, you refuse to accept the meaning of your 
>>>>>>>> words,
>>>>>>>> YES YOU DID, LOOK AT YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I accept that you want to use your stipulated definition of 
>>>>>>> the words, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
>>>>>> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
>>>>>> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
>>>>>> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
>>>>>> Then why the Hell did you say otherwise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you not read what I wrote?
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to agree to the implications of those definitions before 
>>>>> we can go on.
>>>>
>>>> OFF-TOPIC PLEASE DO NOT DIVERGE *AT ALL* FROM
>>>> THE SUBJECT LINE OF THIS POST
>>>>
>>>> Until you
>>>> (1) Unequivocally agree with
>>>>      or
>>>> (2) Attempt to directly refute
>>>> THE EXACT WORDS OF THE SUBJECT LINE OF THIS POST
>>>>
>>>> *ALL OF YOUR WORDS WILL BE IGNORED AND ERASED*
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess you are proving you don't want an honest dialog, because you 
>>> are unwilling to accept the consequences of your deffinition.
>>>
>>
>> We can get to the next point ONLY AFTER WE FINISH THIS POINT.
>> I am no longer willing to tolerate your baseless assertions.
>> ONLY AFTER WE HAVE THIS POINT AS A BASIS CAN WE PROCEED.
>>
> 
> They are not "Baseless" but based on the actual definitions of the terms 
> that you are changing.
> 

*We can get to that ONLY WHEN WE HAVE THE ABOVE SUBJECT AS A BASIS*
*We can get to that ONLY WHEN WE HAVE THE ABOVE SUBJECT AS A BASIS*
*We can get to that ONLY WHEN WE HAVE THE ABOVE SUBJECT AS A BASIS*

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