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Subject: Re: C23 thoughts and opinions
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 09:13:51 +0200
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Bonita Montero ha scritto:
> Am 24.05.2024 um 09:32 schrieb jak:
>> Bonita Montero ha scritto:
>>> Am 23.05.2024 um 21:49 schrieb Thiago Adams:
>>>> On 23/05/2024 16:25, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>> I ask myself what the point is in further developing a language
>>>>> like this that can actually no longer be saved.
>>>> do you mean C++?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, C.
>>
>> I think you have a lot of confusion about programming languages. C and
>> C++ are not comparable languages.
> 
> C and C++ have a lot in common since 95% of what you can do you can do
> in C++ also in the same way. But C++ puts 500% on top of that to solve
> your tasks with a fraction of the code and if you use that the code
> looks totally different than C.
> 

About this I only agree partially because it depends a lot on the
context in which it is used. Moreover, I would not know how to indicate
an optimal programming language for all seasons.

>> I'm pretty convinced that c++ will be abandoned long before c.
> 
> Maybe, but for sure not in favour of C.
> 

I absolutely agree with you.

>> Just for one example, c++ would be abandoned years ago if c# didn't
>> produce CLI code only because C# lacks nothing important than C++
>> and the learning curve is much steeper (it also benefits from 
>> reflection).
> 
> Being a good C++ programmer needs a lot of experience, but if you've
> done that you get a magnitude more productivity. And often you decide
> for simple approaches in C because complex approaches are a lot of work.
> Often this complex and more efficient approach is easy to handle in C++
> if you managed to understand the language.
> 
> 

What you describe is the greatest inconvenience of c++. To make only one
example, when they decided to rewrite the FB platform to accelerate it,
they thought of migrating from php to c++ and they had a collapse of the
staff suitable for work, so they thought of relying a compiler that
translated the php into c++ and many of the new languages were born to
try to remedy hits complexity.