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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_A_simulating_halt_decider_applied_to_the_The_Peter_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Linz_Turing_Machine_description_=E2=9F=A8=C4=A4=E2=9F=A9?= Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 21:43:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <v30rvv$3riij$1@dont-email.me> References: <v2nsvh$1rd65$2@dont-email.me> <v2tkit$22aq0$6@i2pn2.org> <v2tl8b$31uo4$2@dont-email.me> <v2tm5d$22aq0$7@i2pn2.org> <v2tnr1$32e7p$1@dont-email.me> <v2tp5n$22aq0$9@i2pn2.org> <v2tpdg$32me8$2@dont-email.me> <v2tptp$22aq1$13@i2pn2.org> <v2tq50$32r0d$2@dont-email.me> <v2tqh7$22aq1$15@i2pn2.org> <v2tr68$32uto$1@dont-email.me> <v2trch$23vgp$1@i2pn2.org> <v2trts$331vq$1@dont-email.me> <v2tsub$23vgp$2@i2pn2.org> <v2u0o5$33mgp$1@dont-email.me> <v2u2uf$23vgp$4@i2pn2.org> <v2u5a0$349br$2@dont-email.me> <v2u6if$23vgo$3@i2pn2.org> <v2u7fj$38fjo$1@dont-email.me> <v2v79q$25ell$2@i2pn2.org> <v2vg1g$3e8pb$4@dont-email.me> <v2vo5h$26570$3@i2pn2.org> <v2vpt6$3g0m3$3@dont-email.me> <v2vqou$26570$5@i2pn2.org> <v2vrcl$3gakv$1@dont-email.me> <v2vslp$26570$6@i2pn2.org> <v301m6$3hcgb$1@dont-email.me> <v305j9$26571$1@i2pn2.org> <v30e5l$3lerc$1@dont-email.me> <v30fbr$26570$9@i2pn2.org> <v30hiq$3lv80$1@dont-email.me> <v30jb5$26571$2@i2pn2.org> <v30pr8$3r67p$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 04:43:12 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="458305845cd025bf1a433877c96321fe"; logging-data="4049491"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+RqbVTx0X0ffwiMFquCvIG" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6iHlgeKIUP+/ZcyEFbJT4IDV9b4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v30pr8$3r67p$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3230 On 5/26/2024 9:06 PM, olcott wrote: > When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ > Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞ > Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn > > Ĥ copies its own Turing machine description: ⟨Ĥ⟩ > then invokes embedded_H that simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ with ⟨Ĥ⟩ as input. > > It is an easily verified fact that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by > embedded_H cannot possibly reach its own simulated final state of > ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ in any finite sequence of steps. *To other reviewers that are not dishonest* The complete proof of the above statement is that when we hypothesize that embedded_H is a UTM we can see that: ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by UTM embedded_H cannot possibly reach its own simulated final state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ in an infinite number of steps. This conclusively proves that ⟨Ĥ⟩ will not reach ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ is less than an infinite number of steps. A decider is not allowed to simulate an infinite number of steps. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer