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From: badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple needs to explain that bug that resurfaced deleted photos
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 22:05:28 -0000 (UTC)
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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant the Apple religious zealots are, so
> here are just a few search terms for all the cases Apple lost that the
> ignorant Apple religious zealots haven't heard about - but which everyone
> else knows about since every one was discussed in this very newsgroup.
> 
> For example:
>  <https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-113-million-multistate-settlement-against>
>  "Attorney General Becerra Announces $113 Million Multistate
>   Settlement Against Apple for Misrepresenting iPhone Batteries 
>   and Performance Throttling"
> 
>  *France: Watchdog Agency Fines Apple for Deceitful Practice*
>  <https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-02-28/france-watchdog-agency-fines-apple-for-deceitful-practice/>
>  "HOP accused Apple of intentionally causing older iPhone models to 
>   slow down in order to push owners to replace them with newer models."
> 
>  *Apple Settles with French Authorities over 25 Million Fine*
>  <https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
>  "Under French law, using misleading commercial practices 
>   is a criminal offense."
> 
>  *Apple pays out over claims it deliberately slowed down iPhones*
>  <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517>
>  "The US case dates back to December 2017, when Apple confirmed
>   a long-held suspicion among phone owners by admitting it had
>   deliberately (and secretly!) slowed down some iPhones."
> 
>  *France hits Apple with $27 million fine over the battery issue *
>  <https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-battery-life-leads-to-27-million-fine-against-apple-in-france/>
>  "Along with the fine, the agency is also compelling Apple on its 
>   website in France to display a notice telling consumers that the 
>   company has been found to have engaged in deceptive commercial
>   practice by omission regarding the software updates starting with 
>   iOS 10.2.1 that throttled iPhone 6ขs, as well as the iPhone SE 
>   and iPhone 7."
> 
> Jolly Roger wrote on 26 May 2024 18:50:00 GMT :
>> Both sides settled amicably...
> 
> Since Apple was guilty, a billion dollars in penalties was the best they
> could get, so, yeah, sure, I'd be amicable if I got a billion from Apple.
> 
>> and Apple admitted no wrongdoing... 
> 
> Ah, but Apple did in the French criminal case where part of the agreement
> was Apple had to publicly admit they were sorry for a month, Jolly ROger.
> 
>> which
>> means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
>> billions of dollars. 
> 
> The total is well over billions of dollars that Apple lost, Jolly Roger.
>  
>> He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
>> without question.
> 
> Apple's losses in recent lawsuits is well over billions of dollars.
> 
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>> 
>> Nope. The overwhelming majority of these lawsuits were settled amicably
>> by both sides, with Apple admitting no wrongdoing - nobody lost those
>> cases - they were settled.
> 
> They had Apple over the legal barrel given how guilty Apple was, so, yeah,
> sure, they were happy to get billions of dollars in penalties from Apple.
> 
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>> 
>> Nope, Apple mentioned the power management feature in the release notes.
> 
> It's not surprising that you ignorant Apple religious zealots are
> completely unaware of the separate lawsuits (which were combined) from
> dozens of state attorneys general that Apple also lost, mainly because
> Apple got caught separately secretly backdating those release notes.
> 
> That one act of secretly backdating the release notes cost Apple millions
> of dollars in penalties - which - again - the attorneys general were happy
> to amicably extract from Apple given how guilty Apple was in doing that.
> 
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>> 
>> Nope, the release notes are public, right on their website.
> 
> And yet, Apple clearly got caught secretly backdating the mention of the
> throttling, Jolly Roger. The fact you're unaware of what everyone else is
> well aware of (given it was a separate court case) is no longer shocking.
> 
>> Nope, and you can't cite this supposed lie, because it doesn't exist.
> 
> It's a separate court case, Jolly Roger. Which you're ignorant of.
>> 
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>> 
>> Nope, there were no criminal cases resulting from this performance
>> management feature which still exists in every iPhone sold today.
> 
> Heh heh heh... The French criminal case is well known, Jolly Roger.
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant all you Apple religious zealots are.
> 
>> Nope, untrue. Apple settles a lot of them amicably though - while
>> admitting no wrongdoing.
> 
> It's no longer shocking that you Apple religious zealots think paying over
> a billion dollars in penalties means Apple did nothing wrong, Jolly Roger.
> 

If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
government and looking guilty.