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From: Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
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Subject: Re: Small magnetic tunable filter for 6G and beyond
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 22:37:31 -0000 (UTC)
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john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 12:58:08 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> 
>> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>> On 5/27/24 07:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> To 6G and beyond: Engineers unlock the next generation of wireless communications:
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240524114938.htm
>>>> Source:
>>>> University of Pennsylvania School of Engineering and Applied Science
>>>> Summary:
>>>> Engineers have developed a new tool that could unlock 6G and the next
>>>> generation of wireless networks: an adjustable filter that can
>>>> successfully prevent interference in high-frequency bands of the
>>>> electromagnetic spectrum.
>>>> partial quote:
>>>> What makes the filter adjustable is a unique material, "yttrium iron garnet" (YIG),
>>>> a blend of yttrium, a rare earth metal, along with iron and oxygen.
>>>> "What's special about YIG is that it propagates a magnetic spin wave," says Olsson,
>>>> referring to the type of wave created in magnetic materials when
>>>> electrons spin in a synchronized fashion.
>>>> When exposed to a magnetic field, the magnetic spin wave generated by
>>>> YIG changes frequency.
>>>> "By adjusting the magnetic field," says Xingyu Du, a doctoral student in
>>>> Olsson's lab and the first author of the paper,
>>>> "the YIG filter achieves continuous frequency tuning across an extremely
>>>> broad frequency band."
>>>> As a result, the new filter can be tuned to any frequency between 3.4 GHz and 11.1 GHz,
>>>> which covers much of the new territory the FCC has opened up in the FR3 band.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> YIG filter and resonators have always been a bit exotic. Maybe this
>>> will make them common-place. And more compact, hopefully! The YIG
>>> was tiny, sure, but the magnet wasn't.
>>> 
>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>> 
>> 
>> YIG-tuned VFOs are the champs for low close-in phase noise. My HP 8566B’s
>> noise floor at 1kHz is a good 30 dB better than any SDR-style analyzer. 
>> 
>> If they manage to get them down to Digikey-level practicality without
>> screwing that up, it would be huge. 
>> 
>> I wonder if you could use a mag amp sort of structure, with a rare earth
>> magnet biasing some cleverly designed bits of saturable ferrite, plus some
>> small coils changing the effective gap in the magnetic circuit. 
>> 
>> Fun to think about. 
>> 
>> Cheers 
>> 
>> Phil Hobbs 
> 
> How can one keep a magnetic field stable to parts per billion?

Normally unnecessary for a YTO, I think. 

> Seems like ambient 60 Hz fields and temperature changes and tiny
> noises in the coil current would dominate. It's hard to regulate a
> current to parts per million.
> 

A well-degenerated BJT with a 2- or 3-pole lowpass on the base makes a deep
sub-Poissonian current source. One of our laser drivers has a noise floor
below -190 dBc/Hz at 400 mA, about 24 dB below shot noise. 

You do have to handle the low baseband somehow, of course. For the laser
driver it’s an op amp and voltage reference, and for the YTO it’s a PLL. 

Cheers 

Phil Hobbs 
> 

> Qs are low too.
> 
> Does your HP have a big ovenized mu-metal box inside?
> 
> 



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