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On 5/27/2024 9:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/27/24 10:41 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/27/2024 9:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/27/24 10:01 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/27/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 5/27/24 9:04 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I totally do. Can you please write down the
>>>>>>>> "completely specified state transition/tape operation table."
>>>>>>>> of this specific (thus uniquely identifiable) machine I would
>>>>>>>> really like to see it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was proven that no such machine exists!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember, the proof starts with the hypothetical that such a 
>>>>>>> machine exists. Such a machine WOULD HAVE a completely specified 
>>>>>>> state transition/tape operation table.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not what you said.
>>>>>>  >>>>> There doesn't need to be a unique finite string, but it is 
>>>>>> a 100%
>>>>>>  >>>>> completely specified state transition/tape operation table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "a 100% completely specified state transition/tape operation table"
>>>>>> of a non-existent machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, by presuming that you have a Turing Machine, you have a 
>>>>> completly specified state transition/tape operation table.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may not KNOW what that table is if you don't know what the 
>>>>> exact machine is, but you know it exists.
>>>>
>>>>  >>> But it was proven that no such machine exists!
>>>>  > ... but you know it exists.
>>>>
>>>>  >>> But it was proven that no such machine exists!
>>>>  > ... but you know it exists.
>>>>
>>>>  >>> But it was proven that no such machine exists!
>>>>  > ... but you know it exists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Really, then show that one exists!
>>>
>>
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>> *I am quoting your words. You did contradict yourself*
>>
> 
> 
> Really, where did I say that H exists?
> 
> I said that if a Turing Machine exists, then its transition table does too.
> 

OK my mistake this time. I did not take into account the full context.
I will go back an read the Linz proof and see if he said anything
about a specific machine.

None of the proofs ever try to show that there exists one machine that
gets the wrong answer. They are always at least trying to prove that no
machine of the infinite set of machine gets the right answer.

-- 
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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer