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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ### Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 11:21:21 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: <v347mh$hf5j$3@dont-email.me> References: <v18e32$1vbql$1@dont-email.me> <v1vsru$7eqc$1@dont-email.me> <v21r4i$otc2$2@dont-email.me> <v22k4b$umr4$1@dont-email.me> <v24oah$1h4u3$1@dont-email.me> <v256fc$1kais$1@dont-email.me> <v27d05$25ga0$1@dont-email.me> <v2838r$29rd7$1@dont-email.me> <v2a8th$2ps09$1@dont-email.me> <v2ahqc$2qvr9$1@dont-email.me> <v2cb5s$39fvg$1@dont-email.me> <v2crk0$3cifp$1@dont-email.me> <v2cvuo$3dfkm$1@dont-email.me> <v2i921$jvcs$5@dont-email.me> <v2k7fe$12vjm$1@dont-email.me> <v2l0q8$17mu1$1@dont-email.me> <v2n4f7$1ms87$1@dont-email.me> <v2nfma$1or9h$4@dont-email.me> <v2pkqq$28mg0$1@dont-email.me> <v2qhr2$2dpfr$6@dont-email.me> <v2s6kk$2q0pf$1@dont-email.me> <v2skde$2s65h$1@dont-email.me> <v2uthd$3bjch$1@dont-email.me> <v2vdkp$3dtct$3@dont-email.me> <v2vned$3fl3r$1@dont-email.me> <v2vp8f$3g0m3$1@dont-email.me> <v31f7s$3ukf5$1@dont-email.me> <v3236b$29pd$1@dont-email.me> <v3249e$28n59$1@i2pn2.org> <v325v5$2pkb$4@dont-email.me> <v32730$28n59$3@i2pn2.org> <v329md$3mh0$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 11:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fbe328d3fbd40e243e4b25f396044ad5"; logging-data="572595"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/kuG3aeA21czZoSBKsJ1p0" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:eivQLbdA+BgUZEuAGjij42avvq0= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <v329md$3mh0$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3978 Op 27.mei.2024 om 17:43 schreef olcott: > On 5/27/2024 9:58 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 5/27/24 10:39 AM, olcott wrote: > > typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function in C > 00 int H(ptr p, ptr i); > 01 int D(ptr p) > 02 { > 03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p); > 04 if (Halt_Status) > 05 HERE: goto HERE; > 06 return Halt_Status; > 07 } > 08 > 09 int main() > 10 { > 11 H(D,D); > 12 return 0; > 13 } > > The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is > correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This > was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly > switch which H/D pair was being referred to. > > Correct Simulation Defined > This is provided because many reviewers had a different notion of > correct simulation that diverges from this notion. > > A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 1 to N of the > x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions > of D. This may include M recursive emulations of H emulating itself > emulating D. > > When we see that D correctly simulated by pure simulator H would remain > stuck in infinite recursive simulation then we also know that less than > an infinite number of steps is not enough steps for D correctly > simulated by pure function H to reach its own simulated final state at > line 06 and halt. > We can equally well replace D with H. When we see that H correctly simulated by pure simulator H would remain stuck in infinite recursive simulation then we also know that less than an infinite number of steps is not enough steps for H correctly simulated by pure function H to reach its own simulated final state and halt.