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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 22:29:27 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <v367en$100kd$1@dont-email.me> References: <v2ns85$1rd65$1@dont-email.me> <v2s46t$2pj9q$2@dont-email.me> <v2ud85$396ga$1@dont-email.me> <v2v4r7$3chkl$2@dont-email.me> <v2vcud$3dtct$2@dont-email.me> <v2vhsr$3eilv$1@dont-email.me> <v2vl9s$3f6bi$1@dont-email.me> <v31hts$3uu5d$1@dont-email.me> <v323mi$29pd$3@dont-email.me> <v3474q$hf7u$1@dont-email.me> <v34omi$kj65$1@dont-email.me> <v35dpm$od8s$1@dont-email.me> <v35ksf$pk0n$1@dont-email.me> <v361qv$93c$1@news.gegeweb.eu> <v3634b$vg63$1@dont-email.me> <v36624$vrvg$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 05:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b7a5feb561e035e50c2e5bc5a99a467f"; logging-data="1049229"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/itWyNq6g7VpBDNRSNhAxK" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Q7dUCRVAE6RjTkFCrzG0z0O+4fs= In-Reply-To: <v36624$vrvg$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2826 On 5/28/2024 10:05 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 5/28/2024 7:15 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/28/2024 8:53 PM, tTh wrote: >>> On 5/29/24 00:12, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/28/2024 3:11 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>>>> On 5/28/2024 7:11 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>>>> H is a pure simulator or a pure function. >>>>> [...] >>>>> Can you show us a little pseudo code for H? >>>> >>>> >>>> Just assume that H is an x86 emulator that emulates >>>> its input function with the input to this function. >>> >>> Why specially a x86 ? Why not a Sparc or a 68k ? >> >> To make it 100% concrete so that no one can say I am being >> too vague and that is what the fully operational H does. >> Also I know x86 very well since it was new. >> > > too vague? Oh that is rich. I had to start specifying the x86 language because dozens of reviewers believed that D correctly simulated by H was supposed to report on the behavior of non-input: int main() { D(D); } It was only that I could show that this would require simulating the x86 instructions of D incorrectly or in the wrong order that I could prove that they were wrong. Their mistake was my primary rebuttal for two years. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer