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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: immibis <news@immibis.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly halt --- templates and infinite sets Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 19:58:12 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <v3aenk$1ptlh$1@dont-email.me> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v362eu$2d367$3@i2pn2.org> <v363js$vg63$2@dont-email.me> <v36803$2d368$3@i2pn2.org> <v368je$100kd$3@dont-email.me> <v36rlr$13000$1@dont-email.me> <v37aa6$159q4$4@dont-email.me> <v38eqb$2foi0$5@i2pn2.org> <v38fl6$1bndb$2@dont-email.me> <v38g36$2foi0$12@i2pn2.org> <v38gpi$1bndb$4@dont-email.me> <v38ibi$2fohv$1@i2pn2.org> <v38ilr$1c8ir$1@dont-email.me> <v38j78$2foi0$13@i2pn2.org> <v38jqc$1c8ir$3@dont-email.me> <v38khd$2foi0$16@i2pn2.org> <v38mb0$1ggjs$2@dont-email.me> <v38o1v$2fohv$4@i2pn2.org> <v38on0$1grj4$2@dont-email.me> <v38pqr$2fohv$5@i2pn2.org> <v38suu$1hf5c$1@dont-email.me> <v39fsc$2grvb$3@i2pn2.org> <v39ttg$1mtd9$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 19:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="30d02c23347fd2ece49602eb193f0fc0"; logging-data="1898161"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/7n9Ge0YwQikOFFy7o/ZMm" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:L6Qj+/yyQ8nn9tSaqE02PSt+2sc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v39ttg$1mtd9$1@dont-email.me> On 30/05/24 15:11, olcott wrote: > On 5/30/2024 4:11 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Wed, 29 May 2024 22:48:45 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> *A deciders compute the mapping* >>> FROM ITS INPUTS >>> *to it own accept or reject state* >>> >>> *Deciders cannot take* >>> ACTUAL TURING MACHINES AS INPUTS >>> >>> *Deciders can only take* >>> FINITE STRINGS AS INPUTS >> Poetic. >> What is an „actual Turing machine”? >> > > *Formalizing the Linz Proof structure* > ∃H ∈ Turing_Machines > ∀x ∈ Turing_Machine_Descriptions > ∀y ∈ Finite_Strings > such that H(x,y) = Halts(x,y) > > Every H is an actual Turing_Machine > > Every x is a Turing_Machine_Description > thus not an actual Turing_Machine > > ∃H ∈ Turing_Machines ∀x ∈ Turing_Machines ∀y ∈ Finite_Strings such that H(DescriptionOf(x),y) = Halts(x,y)