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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: "give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine
Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 13:55:29 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-30 11:19 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-30 7:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-29 12:17 p.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>> "give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like Russia has chosen to give them the latter.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the Ukrainians wanted "liberty" to kill their Russian speaking
>>>> countrymen more than they wanted peace. Just a lot of wannabe neo-Nazi
>>>> thugs. It's too bad, though, that the non-Nazi Ukrainians are caught in the
>>>> middle of this, losing their lives for a drug-addicted "comedian" and his
>>>> cadre of boot-lickers.
>>>
>>> I've heard that Poland now wants a chunk of Ukraine, as it was
>>> traditionally Polish territory. It actually pains me to imagine this to
>>> be a fact.
>> 
>> And then they can give back to Germany the part given to them by the Soviets
>> after World War II. (Not likely to happen.)
>> 
>> I don't think Russia would object to Poland taking what was traditionally
>> theirs. This is not the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine. I'm also guessing
>> that Romania and Hungary (or Slovakia?) would be able to get back their
>> traditional territories taken from them by the Soviet government and given
>> to Ukraine.
>
> If I were in a position of any kind of authority in Poland, I would 
> actually negotiate with Russia in an effort to gain that territory, 
> inexpensive oil and free trade in exchange for turning a blind eye to 
> what they're doing in Ukraine or even helping them out. I wouldn't mind 
> severing ties with the Americans because the US has no bargaining chip 
> of any worth to my country. American values are contrary to Polish ones, 
> they clearly have no respect for democracy, their education system is 
> ineffective and prefers to propagandize rather than educate, and they 
> built military bases on my territory. At the very least, Russians share 
> a culture and genes with my people. I can work with that.

Unfortunately there is a long history of mistrust between these two 
countries. But Putin has already hinted that he wouldn't object to the Poles 
taking back their traditional chunk of Ukraine.

-- 
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality." 
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