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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Riding after heavy manual labor
Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 17:05:48 -0500
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On 5/31/2024 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 5/31/2024 2:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/31/2024 1:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2024 11:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> ...   I can't think of any well run major city in USA.
>>>
>>> With all due respect: Do you have examples of "well run" 
>>> cities in other countries? (Although we should recognize 
>>> that American cities must exist within the framework of 
>>> American laws, constitution and history.)
>>>
>>> My main point here is that your definition of "well run" 
>>> may be overly idealistic. It may be no more realistic 
>>> than the extreme left's visions of cities where police 
>>> are unnecessary, poverty does not exist, everybody is 
>>> vegan and rides bicycles... or whatever.
>>>
>>> I've asked similar questions regarding national policies 
>>> regarding taxation, etc. If you can't give examples of 
>>> countries or cities that, in your view, do things 
>>> properly, it may be that your standards are unrealistic.
>>>
>>
>> I can't offhand in USA. But the (post Pacific War) 
>> exemplar is Singapore, notably efficient with notably 
>> small, even negligible, amounts of corruption.
>>
>> So it is possible for humans. Just not here.
> 
> Yeah, singapore....I guess if you're a big proponent of 
> following rules and conforming to government dictates of 
> 'decency'.....
> 
> https://www.businessinsider.com/absurd-laws-of-singapore-2012-6
> 
> but hey, I'll bet the trains run on time...

They do of course and they system is not a filthy mugger's 
paradise like CTA and NYC trains:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xd42CnVyU08/maxresdefault.jpg


There's no litter or gum on the sidewalks, extremely low 
crime rate.

I couldn't live there* but the actual citizens of Singapore 
overwhelmingly approve of city administration and have for 
decades.

OTOH corruption, crime and filth combined with high 
Singapore level taxes lacks appeal as well:

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/9-years-of-decline-expect-chicago-to-be-no-4-behind-houston-by-2035/


*not only a question of liberty. Check out the rents!!
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Singapore

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971