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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Riding after heavy manual labor
Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 17:44:05 -0500
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On 5/31/2024 5:15 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
> 
>> On 5/31/2024 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2024 2:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2024 1:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2024 11:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> ...   I can't think of any well run major city in USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> With all due respect: Do you have examples of "well run" cities in
>>>>> other countries? (Although we should recognize that American
>>>>> cities must exist within the framework of American laws,
>>>>> constitution and history.)
>>>>>
>>>>> My main point here is that your definition of "well run" may be
>>>>> overly idealistic. It may be no more realistic than the extreme
>>>>> left's visions of cities where police are unnecessary, poverty
>>>>> does not exist, everybody is vegan and rides bicycles... or
>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've asked similar questions regarding national policies regarding
>>>>> taxation, etc. If you can't give examples of countries or cities
>>>>> that, in your view, do things properly, it may be that your
>>>>> standards are unrealistic.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't offhand in USA. But the (post Pacific War) exemplar is
>>>> Singapore, notably efficient with notably small, even negligible,
>>>> amounts of corruption.
>>>>
>>>> So it is possible for humans. Just not here.
>>> Yeah, singapore....I guess if you're a big proponent of
>>> following rules and conforming to government dictates of
>>> 'decency'.....
>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/absurd-laws-of-singapore-2012-6
>>> but hey, I'll bet the trains run on time...
>>
>> They do of course and they system is not a filthy mugger's paradise
>> like CTA and NYC trains:
>>
>> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xd42CnVyU08/maxresdefault.jpg
>>
>>
>> There's no litter or gum on the sidewalks, extremely low crime rate.
>>
>> I couldn't live there* but the actual citizens of Singapore
>> overwhelmingly approve of city administration and have for
>> decades.
>>
>> OTOH corruption, crime and filth combined with high Singapore level
>> taxes lacks appeal as well:
>>
>> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/9-years-of-decline-expect-chicago-to-be-no-4-behind-houston-by-2035/
>>
>>
>> *not only a question of liberty. Check out the rents!!
>> https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Singapore
> 
>  From https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/caught-speeding-singapore/
> 
>     For serious traffic offences such as exceeding the speed limit by more
>     than 40 km/h, offenders will be prosecuted in court. In this situation,
>     offenders can be fined up to $1,000 and/or jailed for up to 3 months for
>     a first conviction in court.
> 
>     These maximum penalties are doubled for repeat offenders. Repeat
>     offenders who have been convicted at least 2 times for exceeding the
>     speed limit by more than 40 km/h may also face enhanced penalties under
>     section 67(A) of the Road Traffic Act.
> 
>     In this case, the court may exercise its discretion to sentence a repeat
>     offender to up to 3 times the punishment that he would otherwise be
>     liable for, subject to a jail term of up to 10 years. On top of that,
>     repeat offenders who cause serious injury or death to another person may
>     also be caned up to 6 strokes.
> 
> Exceeded the speed limit twice by more than 25 mph?


By the way, if you were advising RNC on a convention venue, 
where?  I think Mr Krygowski asked a very good question.
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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