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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise ---
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On 6/1/2024 12:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/1/24 12:38 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/1/2024 11:27 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/1/24 12:13 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/1/2024 10:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/1/24 11:30 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I will not discuss any other points with you until after you either*
>>>>>> (a) Acknowledge that DD correctly simulated by HH and ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ 
>>>>>> correctly
>>>>>>      simulated by embedded_H remain stuck in recursive simulation for
>>>>>>      1 to ∞ of correct simulation or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) Correctly prove otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> And until you answer the question of what that actually means, I 
>>>>> will reply WHO CARES.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>>>> 00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>> 01       int DD(ptr p)
>>>> 02       {
>>>> 03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
>>>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>>>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>>>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>>>> 07       }
>>>> 08
>>>> 09       int main()
>>>> 10       {
>>>> 11         HH(DD,DD);
>>>> 12         return 0;
>>>> 13       }
>>>>
>>>> Every DD correctly simulated by any HH of the infinite set of HH/DD
>>>> pairs that match the above template never reaches past its own 
>>>> simulated
>>>> line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of DD by HH.
>>>>
>>>> In this case HH is either a pure simulator that never halts or
>>>> HH is a pure function that stops simulating after some finite number
>>>> of simulated lines. The line count is stored in a local variable.
>>>> The pure function HH always returns the meaningless value of 56
>>>> after it stops simulating.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, still no answer, to teh question. 
>>
>> You can pretend that you don't understand something that you do indeed
>> understand into perpetuity.
>>
>> The key measure of dishonestly would be that you continue to say
>> that you don't understand yet never ever point out exactly what you
>> don't understand and why you don't understand it.
>>
>>> I giuess that Mean YOU don't even know what you are asking, though it 
>>> seems that now you are admitting that your HH doesn't actually ANSWER 
>>> the question, so it isn't ACTUALL a decider for any function except 
>>> the "56" mapping.
>>>
>>> I will repeat the question and until you answer the question of what 
>>> that actually means, I will reply WHO CARES.
>>>
>>> DO you mean the simulation of the TEMPLATE DD, 
>>
>> *Of course I don't mean that nonsense. I mean exactly what I specified*
>>
>>> which means that we CAN'T simulate the call HH as we have no code 
>>> past point to simulate, and thus your claim is just a LIE.
>>>
>>> Or, do you mean a given instance of HH simulating a given instance of 
>>> DD, at which point we never have the 1 to infinte number of 
>>> simulatons of THAT INPUT, so your claim is just a LIE.
>>>
>>
>> Every element of the infinite set of every H/D pairs...
>> Every element of the infinite set of every H/D pairs...
>> Every element of the infinite set of every H/D pairs...
>>
>> *Its not that hard when one refrains from dishonesty*
>> We can't even say that you forgot these details from one reply
>> to the next because the details are still in this same post.
>>
> 
> And every one gives a meaningless answer, 

*THEN TRY TO REFUTE THIS UNEQUIVOCAL STATEMENT*
DD correctly emulated by HH with an x86 emulator cannot possibly
reach past its own machine instruction [00001c2e] in any finite
number of steps of correct emulation.

_DD()
[00001c22] 55         push ebp
[00001c23] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
[00001c25] 51         push ecx
[00001c26] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00001c29] 50         push eax        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00001c2d] 51         push ecx        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2e] e80ff7ffff call 00001342   ; call HH
[00001c33] 83c408     add esp,+08
[00001c36] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00001c39] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[00001c3d] 7402       jz 00001c41
[00001c3f] ebfe       jmp 00001c3f
[00001c41] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00001c44] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00001c46] 5d         pop ebp
[00001c47] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0038) [00001c47]


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