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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: immibis <news@immibis.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 20:53:48 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <v3fqns$2tc3s$4@dont-email.me> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v38ici$2fohv$2@i2pn2.org> <v38j17$1c8ir$2@dont-email.me> <v38jgo$2foi0$14@i2pn2.org> <v38jv9$1c8ir$4@dont-email.me> <v39agi$1jiql$1@dont-email.me> <v39v3h$1mtd9$5@dont-email.me> <v3b9kj$2im02$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bale$222n5$1@dont-email.me> <v3bbs2$2im01$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bcre$22a8n$1@dont-email.me> <v3bduk$2im01$2@i2pn2.org> <v3bedb$22f8h$1@dont-email.me> <v3bfbm$2im01$3@i2pn2.org> <v3bg39$22o6m$1@dont-email.me> <v3cbhu$2k3ld$1@i2pn2.org> <v3clo2$28p7n$1@dont-email.me> <v3dft1$2lfup$1@i2pn2.org> <v3dhob$2dio8$1@dont-email.me> <v3dk0d$2lfup$2@i2pn2.org> <v3dkf2$2e2po$1@dont-email.me> <v3dmnc$2lfup$3@i2pn2.org> <v3do66$2ejq2$1@dont-email.me> <v3dqka$2lfup$4@i2pn2.org> <v3dsev$2f6ul$1@dont-email.me> <v3dtt4$2lfup$5@i2pn2.org> <v3dvr3$2jgjd$1@dont-email.me> <v3e0rj$2lfup$6@i2pn2.org> <v3e1m6$2jmc2$1@dont-email.me> <v3f09p$2n53o$1@i2pn2.org> <v3feqn$2rdp3$1@dont-email.me> <v3fgat$2n53n$5@i2pn2.org> <v3fhan$2rsbs$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2024 20:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a1837118cd62700985cbfcccff128def"; logging-data="3059836"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+1xrYOSCV8A7YvmejJkLbK" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:8C+KpvKdJxwXH0WOJIvwtfOCIs0= In-Reply-To: <v3fhan$2rsbs$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3743 On 1/06/24 18:13, olcott wrote: > On 6/1/2024 10:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/1/24 11:30 AM, olcott wrote: >>> >>> *I will not discuss any other points with you until after you either* >>> (a) Acknowledge that DD correctly simulated by HH and ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly >>> simulated by embedded_H remain stuck in recursive simulation for >>> 1 to ∞ of correct simulation or >>> >>> (b) Correctly prove otherwise. >> >> And until you answer the question of what that actually means, I will >> reply WHO CARES. >> > > typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function in C > 00 int HH(ptr p, ptr i); > 01 int DD(ptr p) > 02 { > 03 int Halt_Status = HH(p, p); > 04 if (Halt_Status) > 05 HERE: goto HERE; > 06 return Halt_Status; > 07 } > 08 > 09 int main() > 10 { > 11 HH(DD,DD); > 12 return 0; > 13 } > > Every DD correctly simulated by any HH of the infinite set of HH/DD > pairs that match the above template never reaches past its own simulated > line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of DD by HH. > > In this case HH is either a pure simulator that never halts or > HH is a pure function that stops simulating after some finite number > of simulated lines. The line count is stored in a local variable. > The pure function HH always returns the meaningless value of 56 > after it stops simulating. 56 is a nonzero number. In C, nonzero numbers are 'true'. Returning 56 means that DD(DD) halts, which is incorrect if HH returns 56. >