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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:12:18 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v3frqi$2o13h$12@i2pn2.org> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v38eq4$2foi0$1@i2pn2.org> <v38fe0$1bndb$1@dont-email.me> <v38g31$2foi0$11@i2pn2.org> <v38gi5$1bndb$3@dont-email.me> <v38ici$2fohv$2@i2pn2.org> <v38j17$1c8ir$2@dont-email.me> <v38jgo$2foi0$14@i2pn2.org> <v38jv9$1c8ir$4@dont-email.me> <v39agi$1jiql$1@dont-email.me> <v39v3h$1mtd9$5@dont-email.me> <v3b9kj$2im02$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bale$222n5$1@dont-email.me> <v3bbs2$2im01$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bcre$22a8n$1@dont-email.me> <v3bduk$2im01$2@i2pn2.org> <v3bedb$22f8h$1@dont-email.me> <v3bfbm$2im01$3@i2pn2.org> <v3bg39$22o6m$1@dont-email.me> <v3cbhu$2k3ld$1@i2pn2.org> <v3clo2$28p7n$1@dont-email.me> <v3dft1$2lfup$1@i2pn2.org> <v3dhob$2dio8$1@dont-email.me> <v3dk0d$2lfup$2@i2pn2.org> <v3dkf2$2e2po$1@dont-email.me> <v3dmnc$2lfup$3@i2pn2.org> <v3do66$2ejq2$1@dont-email.me> <v3enpm$2mn41$2@dont-email.me> <v3fe2a$2r6h9$2@dont-email.me> <v3feus$2re6f$1@dont-email.me> <v3fg1m$2riae$1@dont-email.me> <v3fgtb$2ro2o$1@dont-email.me> <v3fhrd$2rsbs$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:12:18 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2884721"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3413 Lines: 36 Am Sat, 01 Jun 2024 11:22:05 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 6/1/2024 11:06 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 01.jun.2024 om 17:51 schreef olcott: >>> On 6/1/2024 10:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 01.jun.2024 om 17:17 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 6/1/2024 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 01.jun.2024 om 01:57 schreef olcott: >>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 6:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 6:54 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 4:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 10:10 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/24 11:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> Halting criteria are the same for all functions. If the direct >>>> execution of HH(DD,DD) proves that HH halts, then the direct >>>> execution of DD also proves that DD halts. >>> >>> *HH is required to report on the behavior that its input specifies* HH >>> is not allowed to report on the behavior of DD(DD) {the computation >>> that itself is contained within}. >> >> The input of HH is HH as part of DD. (Remember DD calls HH.) >> So, when HH is required to report about its input, it reports about the >> behaviour of both DD and HH. >> >> > HH correctly reports that because DD calls HH(DD,DD) in recursive > simulation that DD never halts. > > HHH(HH,DD,DD) would report that HH halts. What is this now? All H behave the same, if given identical inputs. -- joes